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10-07-2009, 10:39 AM
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The PCVs are in Damajagua, in the north. The article mentions a waterfall in Bayaguana (Monte Plata).
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10-07-2009, 12:54 PM
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Believe it or not, there's some vocal opposition to what's going on.
Very encouraging in my opinion.
Social pressure might force Assembly to revise text - DiarioLibre.com
SANTO DOMINGO. In the face of the rejection that the so-called "counter-reformation" that was approved by the Revisory Assembly of the Constitution during the second reading has received, there is movement inside the Congress to find a "legal way down" that will allow them to revoke part of the last changes that did not go over well with the population.
All this includes, according to what was learned by Diario Libre, a possible modification of the internal regulations of the Assembly that allows for rethinking on the elimination of citizen's rights that had been approved during the first reading, such as the collective and diffuse rights, of which 10 were eliminated and the prohibition of free access to the nation's beaches by citizens.
Also, the Assembly rejected allowing a citizen to sue on unconstitutional grounds the regulations and judicial acts in conformity with the procedures established by the law , alleging that in order to exercise this right "the citizen should have a judicial and legitimately protected interest", among other changes.
The criticisms and announcements that the new Constitution would be the object of an unconstitutionality suit, once it was proclaimed, has apparently forces a large number of assembly members to rethink their positions, and they are consulting specialists and exploring the possibilities of once again review the text that was approved.
It was confirmed
The data was confirmed by the vice president of the Assembly, Julio Cesar Valentine, who said that in the middle of the session that the people fixate only on the negative, meaning that in the text that has been approved there are a lot of positives.
"The truth is we committed a mistake with the collective and diffuse rights, and I believe that we can explore the institutional possibility of carrying out some sort of revision, but in this Constitution a series of revolutionary aspects have been approved", said Valentin.
He urged his colleagues to defend the positive points of the reform and recognize the part that could be negative alleging that no Constitution in the world can be said to be intregally progressive or good, because there is no perfect text.
Also, protest planned in front of Congress clad in bathing suits...
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10-07-2009, 05:05 PM
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From Clave Digital's poll.
Will you support the new constitution that is being formulated by the Revisory Assembly?
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ENCUESTA CLAVE
¿Apoyará usted la nueva Constitución que surgirá de la Asamblea Revisora?
SI----- 9.91 %
NO --------------------------- 90.09 %
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10-07-2009, 10:56 PM
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Hi all. I received a DR1 Daily News Update regarding the constitutional revisions which said in part:
"The last straw may have been the passing of an article last week that puts private ownership of all beaches, rivers and lakes in the DR above universal public access..."
Does this mean that the new law would override the "60 meter" rule and that individuals who own properties which include a small beach would legally own the beach?
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10-07-2009, 10:59 PM
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Good question. I suggest you post it in the Legal forum and maybe Fabio will give us an expert opinion. The rest of us can only speculate.
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10-07-2009, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by domilinguist
The best comment I heard was on Huchi Lora's show on Monday. Basically as the current new law now stands in order to be recognised as a Dominican citizen you need to PROVE that your parents (if foreign) lived legally in the country. If I am to understand correctly, that means you must produce an original birth certificate of both parents PLUS all documentation to show they were legal residents. This now means that they would have to post-homously declare Peña Gómez, one of the most prominent Dominican political figures of the 20th century, as a non-Dominican as he does not fit this criteria! What an absolute circus of events.
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The comment about Peña Gómez is nonsense since the new regulations in the modified constitution applies from the day the constitution enters in effect. In fact, it very clearly states that everyone 'enjoying' Dominican citizenship prior to the constitution entering effect will continue to be Dominican.
Don't believe everything that is said in the press / media shows. Read the actual constitution to see what it really says instead of what some people want for you to believe.
There is a lot of nonsense being said about this new constitution, don't fall for the hype.
Here is the constitution, word-for-word:
Texto completo del proyecto de reforma constitucional
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10-08-2009, 06:30 AM
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nationality for lots of children.....
Los nacidos en el territorio nacional de padres extranjeros si la legislación de su país de origen no les atribuye ninguna nacionalidad.
I am surprised that there is not more of a nationalist outcry over this particular article since it is going to actually grant citizenship to thousands of third generation Haitians born here. Under the Haitian constitution, you can only claim Haitian citizenship if your parents were born in Haiti. So if you are third generation Haitian, born to parents who were born here, which is the case for MOST of the sugar cane cutters among others, then you do not have the rights of citizenship in Haiti, and so legally have the rights of citizenship here.
All along, I have been surprised by the silence on the Constitution of the various groups who have been working on this issue... and this is perhaps why.
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10-09-2009, 09:25 AM
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As you know the Haitian situation is unique. Many of those third generation Haitians have been put in the category of being here illegally or in transit so the illegality is magically transferred to their offspring. Dominican Supreme Court said so in 2005. Thus no nationality.
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10-10-2009, 03:03 AM
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10-10-2009, 08:37 AM
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that was then
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Originally Posted by A.Hidalgo
As you know the Haitian situation is unique. Many of those third generation Haitians have been put in the category of being here illegally or in transit so the illegality is magically transferred to their offspring. Dominican Supreme Court said so in 2005. Thus no nationality.
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Keep watching this issue.The change in the Constitution would give those illegals another claim... Of course, there is a lot of interest in Haiti now since Clinton got the UN job...Now that Haiti is out of debt and there is all that aid money coming in. Aid Money always comes with lots of zeros attached so it makes a certain group of people very interested.
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