Haitian Baby born in Puerto Plata.........

[SKing]

PICHARDO

With all due respect...I never spoke on the majority of things that you recently mentioned and I never stated specifically that I was talking about illegal Dominicans in the US

Here in NC where I live and work the majority of illegals are Mexican

In the hospital where I work...there are bilingual Social Workers who go to every room of a postpartum pt that does not have a social security number or insurance
They assist them in filing for the emergency Medicaid.
One of my close friends is such a Social Worker in my hospital
And Medicaid is given to those mothers (for the labor/postpartum period only)
I canot speak on all of the US, I can only speak for NC and since the last time that I worked it is still that way (and I worked yesterday)
IMHO, if you do not have a social security number, my money should not be used to pay for your labor and birth

People are having children here because it is free and once they have the child, the child has acess to social services

If I were an illegal in another country...claiming to be working my a** off to send money home to my country to feed my other children there I definitely would not be havingmore children...
But here in the US...it is lucrative to have more children...

My problem is that I attend (as a Nurse) to thousands of illegal immigrants a year and the majority (not all) have a "you owe me" type of attitude
They have no social security number but want to know when they get their free car seat, WIC checks, etc.

Just my opinion

[PICHARDO]

Originally Posted by cuas

I was born in Aruba. My parents were legal residents. I was never given a passport because my father never wanted to be a citizen. When my parents returned to DR we (the children) travelled with a piece of paper that the Dominican Consulate issued to us.
When I travel to Aruba they treat my as a tourist. If I want to stay longer I have to go through all the steps that as other tourists.
Now I am a US citizen. My passport says born in Aruba. The years that I was Dominican was erased. I have a hard time getting the new cedula. In DR I am treated as a tourist.
I joke around that if deported I do not have another country to call home.

Cuas:
If your parents hold Dominican citizenship, your father at least and must, then you can demand your Dominican citizenship no matter where you were born at. It's the law and your father's constitutional right as a Dominican citizen by birth.

[PICHARDO]

Originally Posted by oldschool

I'm an American and my ex-girlfriend was Canadian. Our daughter was born in the Dominican in 1997. Both of us were here illegialy at the time. She has an official Dominican Birth Certificate with all the stamps and signatures you could want on it but things might be different now.

The JCE is reviewing all the BC and Cedulas issued on the past few years just because of that same problem. It was found that a disproportioned number of documents were issued without the legal and required investigation by the authorities during that time.

That's why many that today try to renew their Cedulas find themselves without the ease to do so. Now those Cedulas and BC that have been flagged must provide the documentation to satisfy the basic legal requirements to have it in the first place.

As far a you and your girlfriend being illegal at the time of the birth, it takes under consideration that during that time, no legal framework was in place to define to local authorities that a foreigner that entered the country via the no-visa requirement and was allowed to pay penalties at exit for the extra time over the allotted by such non-visa stay; represented an illegal status in the country.

After the DR gov took the issue and the new regulations constituted, then you and your girlfriend, even thus you were over extending your stay as non-visa foreigners in the DR; never felled under "illegals" in the legal status of your residence during the time.

Please remember that you entered the country via "legal channels" not crossing the border at night or after a pay off to some border guard.

As it stands, during your over extended stay in the DR and childbirth, you and your wife never became illegals in the DR due to the lax rules that allowed both to just pay the penalties due at exit...

Take as an example of the revamped rules of this issue the case of two parents that had their child born in the DR, they had to go the papers to get the authorities to provide the pink BC so they could get the US Embassy to provide the BC for the child.

[PICHARDO]

Originally Posted by SKing

PICHARDO

With all due respect...I never spoke on the majority of things that you recently mentioned and I never stated specifically that I was talking about illegal Dominicans in the US

Here in NC where I live and work the majority of illegals are Mexican

In the hospital where I work...there are bilingual Social Workers who go to every room of a postpartum pt that does not have a social security number or insurance
They assist them in filing for the emergency Medicaid.
One of my close friends is such a Social Worker in my hospital
And Medicaid is given to those mothers (for the labor/postpartum period only)
I canot speak on all of the US, I can only speak for NC and since the last time that I worked it is still that way (and I worked yesterday)
IMHO, if you do not have a social security number, my money should not be used to pay for your labor and birth

People are having children here because it is free and once they have the child, the child has acess to social services

If I were an illegal in another country...claiming to be working my a** off to send money home to my country to feed my other children there I definitely would not be havingmore children...
But here in the US...it is lucrative to have more children...

My problem is that I attend (as a Nurse) to thousands of illegal immigrants a year and the majority (not all) have a "you owe me" type of attitude
They have no social security number but want to know when they get their free car seat, WIC checks, etc.

Just my opinion

As you pointed out, some states continue to offer free of charge services paid for the rest of those hard working Americans. The fact is that most states now have removed those services from illegals or are in the process of dong so.

NC is not comparable to other heavy loaded illegal immigrants in the nation and the impact of such services rendered to the fiscal load is manageable unlike other states.

[oldschool]

Originally Posted by PICHARDO

That's why many that today try to renew their Cedulas find themselves without the ease to do so. Now those Cedulas and BC that have been flagged must provide the documentation to satisfy the basic legal requirements to have it in the first place.

Alright so what would be the proper Documentation. My Dominican residency card. What I would not want is if she tried to get a cedula they would take away her birth certificate since this is the only country that she has one. She does have US and Canadian Citizenship cards but no birth certificate from these countries.

[GringoCArlos]

With all due respect Matilda, I think that most Dominicans who lack a Birth Certificate and documents happen because their parents didn't register the birth of their child within the 30 days following birth as proscribed by dominican law, rather than "selling" their child's birth certificate to a Haitian. Either papa didn't get off the dime to go do it, or he didn't have the time or money to go to his province's capital to do so, "or it just wasn't a priority" to him at the time.

Or, if the child was born at home (which used to happen a LOT), papa wasn't bright enough to just tell the authorities a different birthdate within the 30 day period for registry, so that he could get the birth certificate.

[rio2003]

Originally Posted by GringoCArlos

Or, if the child was born at home (which used to happen a LOT), papa wasn't bright enough to just tell the authorities a different birthdate within the 30 day period for registry, so that he could get the birth certificate.

Thankyou - You have probably just given me the answer to something that has been nagging away for years. My "ex" always says that his birthday is in December and yet his birth certificate says that he was born in April. I could never work it out and got all sorts of answers and thoughts rattling around in my head. Now I think I understand why. Could they have invented a later date of birth in order to get the certificate "within 30 days" ?

Rio

[Matilda]

Originally Posted by GringoCArlos

With all due respect Matilda, I think that most Dominicans who lack a Birth Certificate and documents happen because their parents didn't register the birth of their child within the 30 days following birth as proscribed by dominican law, rather than "selling" their child's birth certificate to a Haitian. Either papa didn't get off the dime to go do it, or he didn't have the time or money to go to his province's capital to do so, "or it just wasn't a priority" to him at the time.

Or, if the child was born at home (which used to happen a LOT), papa wasn't bright enough to just tell the authorities a different birthdate within the 30 day period for registry, so that he could get the birth certificate.

The case I was talking about his father did sell his birth certificate.

The latest way Haitians are trying to get cedulas is to become 'adopted' by a Dominican family. This costs around 25,000 RD$. Most of the Haitians I know will do whatever it takes to have a Dominican cedula, and hence will pay a lot of money. And a Dominican birth certificate is worth its weight in gold

[GringoCArlos]

rio2003, that's probably exactly what happened. Baby born during December, either papa was too drunk or the government office was not open to register the birth, so he probably did it when he could, during semana santa break. Change the birthdate, get your child's papers. The 30 day law is stupid.

[rio2003]

Originally Posted by GringoCArlos

rio2003, that's probably exactly what happened. Baby born during December, either papa was too drunk or the government office was not open to register the birth, so he probably did it when he could, during semana santa break. Change the birthdate, get your child's papers. The 30 day law is stupid.

Yes, his actual birthday is December 22nd so I expect Navidad was far more important - double celebration. Birth Certificate says April 23rd!

Thanks for that!

Rio