30 metre rule for rivers??

[amparocorp]

tell the others that have broken the law that medio ambiente says that they have to tear down whatever they have built near the stream. go get your neighbors in the same boat with you. walk the medio ambiente next door and have him tell the neighbor to tear down his illegal construction. file a complaint with medio ambiente that you can not access the water at neighbor #3 and you demand they take action. did you pi$$ somebody off? sounds like someone is targeting you. also if they don't like the fence, put a big mean dog on a chain out there, see if they like that better.

[heliace]

Yup...motoconchos to the left of me, motoconchos to the right of me, none wearing a helmet,but, I get the ticket...no window tint involved.Just another gringo to fleece.

[Texas Bill]

ExtremeR;

I find your "logic" to be fallacious in light of the OP's comment.
Either you are using an invalid argument, or you are expressing an opinion which is not in the least applicable to the circumstances presented by the OP.
The OP has neighbors who have made a complaint to the authorities, alledging that his fencing and/or wall prevents their accessing HIS LAND and PRIVATE DOMAIN.
If that is the case, there is no doubt, on the surface, that he is being targeted by malcontents who seek to make trouble for him with the authorities for some unknown reasons.
My question to you is this? DO YOU SUPPORT THEIR EFFORTS, either through misplaced logic, or through bigotry against Blancos in general.
Either way, it would behoove you to step back and re-analyse your reasoning since it is fallacious in and of itself.

Texas Bill

[J D Sauser]

OK, I am not the moderator here, but now that you boys ought to have settled your differences about discrimination in the Dominican "Justice System", I would still love to hear about the validity or not of the core issues brought up by the OP.

• Is access to ALL bodies of water to be granted?
• When is a body of water rated as such and access to be granted?
• Which organism/department rates those bodies of water / who does the surveying / what are it's sizes?
• Does access include a recess?
• Does a certain amount of land around water bodies rated as such automatically become "public".... will it be excluded from the title? In other words, does recess mean surrender?

etc...

... J-D.

[granca]

Thank you J D Sauser, you have effectively restated my original request, what or which is this law and what does it actually say.
Granca

[J D Sauser]

Originally Posted by granca

Thank you J D Sauser, you have effectively restated my original request, what or which is this law and what does it actually say.
Granca

Well, you are welcome... I am not affected, but since I love water I thought your question was not only a valid one, but also interesting.

I think that the lineup of questions I made above, may be how you should approach your issue. Step by step.
I would leave the Medio Ambiente's opinion to a side for a little while and work things from the bottom up.
Who knows what may come out.

I hope Dr. Guzman will find the time to look at this too and give you/us his opinion and share some thought about where to start.

Good luck! ... J-D.

[bienamor]

Originally Posted by J D Sauser

OK, I am not the moderator here, but now that you boys ought to have settled your differences about discrimination in the Dominican "Justice System", I would still love to hear about the validity or not of the core issues brought up by the OP.

• Is access to ALL bodies of water to be granted?
• When is a body of water rated as such and access to be granted?
• Which organism/department rates those bodies of water / who does the surveying / what are it's sizes?
• Does access include a recess?
• Does a certain amount of land around water bodies rated as such automatically become "public".... will it be excluded from the title? In other words, does recess mean surrender?

etc...

... J-D.

Well stated, just some additions. Bodies of water would be identified as moving water, as I am not sure that Ponds for example would fit the bill. You could have a pond completely surrounded by your own property, therefore no access or recess,
In most places in the US(agree thats not here), but this would be rivers, creeks, state/county lakes, but not farm ponds for instance. Another category is moving water that is navigable

[donluis99]

Originally Posted by J D Sauser

OK, I am not the moderator here, but now that you boys ought to have settled your differences about discrimination in the Dominican "Justice System", I would still love to hear about the validity or not of the core issues brought up by the OP.

• Is access to ALL bodies of water to be granted?
• When is a body of water rated as such and access to be granted?
• Which organism/department rates those bodies of water / who does the surveying / what are it's sizes?
• Does access include a recess?
• Does a certain amount of land around water bodies rated as such automatically become "public".... will it be excluded from the title? In other words, does recess mean surrender?

etc...

... J-D.

FIRST UNDERSTAND THIS:

ALL LAND, MINERALES AND WATER on this enchanted Island ARE B Y LAW the property of the STATE.

No matter what your title says, and where your mead's and bounds are for your property, the mineral, soil and water do not belong to you and are administered by the STATE according to Ley General de Medio Ambiente y Recursos Naterales No. 64-00

It States further one CAN NOT legally block any water or access to any water that is needed by the community.


Recently I have learned an awful lot about this law and SELECTIVE prosecution.

I american, yes white man.

We have an arroyo in our back yard similar to that of the OP, at first the description was reading like our back yard.

We decided to reclaim about 300 sq. meters we were losing due to the vally and the arroyo. So we brought in some fill and moved about 30 meters of the arroyo further away.

Somebody called medio ambiente, you know they tried to keep me locked up easter weekend from thursday until monday, for working in MY BACKYARD WITH MY WATER AND MY DIRT.

Well case has moved on, we are fined RD$81,000.00 for playing in our dirt on our land. No, no not for playing on our land with our dirt, no playing on our land with the dirt belonging to the state, with out frst asking permission.

Project cost shot up from 30k to now over 110k, we can not finish until we go back to papa state and get proper permission to play in our dirt, oh their dirt on our property.

Guess what the fine was alot more, but we played the game.

Did you know fines can run to 10,000 * RD$5,760.00

heres the link to all you want to know about our wonderful STATE!

http://www.oas.org/dsd/fida/laws/leg...cana_64-00.pdf

[Ezequiel]

Originally Posted by heliace

Yup...motoconchos to the left of me, motoconchos to the right of me, none wearing a helmet,but, I get the ticket...no window tint involved.Just another gringo to fleece.

Jajajajaja, very funny.

The problem is if a Motoconchista has an accident and die, nothing will happen, and if you have and an accident and die, the DR will have bad publicity abroad just because you are a Gringo.

[bienamor]

Originally Posted by Ezequiel

Jajajajaja, very funny.

The problem is if a Motoconchista has an accident and die, nothing will happen, and if you have and an accident and die, the DR will have bad publicity abroad just because you are a Gringo.

If the Motoconchista was going the wrong way on a one way street and you kill him its your fault. and you go to jail. so yea something happen,