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Old 11-22-2006, 12:16 AM
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Foreigners like to smile alot at everyone and at all things. They remind me of Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street. Two nice lovable characters, but easy pickins. I guess other dominicans must feel the same way that these are suckers that can be had. Take my word, I know my people.

If you are in a new area, keep a serious demeanor. You don't have to be nasty but don't be happy silly stupid like Bert and Ernie. Serious until you are sure of your surroundings and the people around you. Then loosen up. Dominicans respect serious men and treat them in high regard. Happy silly stupid like Bert and Ernie and even the shoeshine boy will take you for a ride.

Sort of the seriousness that Clint Eastwood's character portrays in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. Dominicans won't be able to read you easily. The mysterious serious type will be mistaken by them as an agent of some sort. Like that guy be aware of your surroundings. Keep eye contact with a serious demeanor. Thugs don't like to be seen.
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Old 11-22-2006, 07:49 AM
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yes i agree. i'm not a local but a estranjero who travels there often. i'm never curious (like most tourists) to anything thats happening in the town. i just look and keep walking. if someone approaches me i just give them a serious "no gracias" and they move on.
it's difficult sometimes for the AI folks because they have that wristband that says "gringo/gringa".
above all being safe means not getting drunk alone/going strange places with chicas/understanding not carrying too many pesos or have small bills/setting a price with chicas/concho driver BEFORE you embark. above all remember chicas can rip you off as well....

my 2 pesos worth..
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Old 11-22-2006, 10:36 AM
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As in all places : "Don't stand out as a target"

for living

Make sure that your house seems better "defended" than your neighbours
Make sure that your house seems less rich than your neighbours
Have your perimeter securred
Have an early warning system (barking dogs alarm)
Have a deterrant defensif system ( biting dogs/colin/ gun)
Be metaly prepared to harm the intruder and if necessary kill

For traveling

Don't stand out in the crowd (difficult if your're white amongst brown people (not prejudice)) wear same cloths do same things etc
When walking walk with your head high
Don't flash your wealth


When sh** happens be prepared to inflict harm and go for the kill

Greetings

Johan
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Old 11-22-2006, 09:10 PM
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O & C,

A very subtle observation. Thank you. Almost contra-intuitive for most gringos.

Johan.

Good points for someone living there. And, to me, you make a very important distinction ... if you choose to use force, be mentally prepared to do so.

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Old 11-23-2006, 03:49 PM
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Don't stand out in the crowd (difficult if your're white amongst brown people (not prejudice))

That's why I tell many white foreigners to set up shop in the mountain towns, The Highlands. There are many dominicans there of Spanish stock that are confused once they head into the major cities of SDQ. If they speak "dominican", no other dominicans would think they are.

Have your permanent abode up there and you come down to the resorts, the capital etc. It's pretty horrible to have to be looking over your back if you live permanently in an area where you stick out so much.

It's not prejuidce but you do remember the study of the genetically mutated white moths. Unable to cloak themselves amongst the oak trees like thier brown moth counterparts, they were easily singled out by the prey.
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Old 11-29-2006, 06:43 AM
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OK, this looks a little cleaner and is now a sticky.

Are any of the long term members willing to add what to do (and not to do) when flagged down at a security roadblock, or stopped by the cops, or flagged down by Amet.

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Old 11-29-2006, 07:12 AM
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OK, this looks a little cleaner and is now a sticky.

Are any of the long term members willing to add what to do (and not to do) while flagged down at a security roadblock, or stopped by the cops, or flagged down by Amet.
I don't think there is one universal solution.
There are too many variables.

This is what works for me.
(Bear in mind I speak Spanish)
I always roll down my window before even coming to a full stop, half hang my head out the window with a smile on my face, reaching out to shake the hand of the first person approaching me, with a big, "Saludos".
Often I will say, "Yo conozco a usted" like a statement, like I just found an old friend.
Often will ask them, "Hay problemas?", "Que paso?", "Un robo?", whatever comes to mind, like I'm interested in their work and have no doubt that the only reason they would be pulling cars over, is because a big crime has been committed, and they are trying to capture the criminals.
In general, I babble on about anything that comes to mind, until they are a bit bored with me and politely ask me to move on and get the heck out of their way.

In the absence of speaking the lingo, as was the case when I first moved here, I used the same beginning as above, only would start the conversation, as I shook the hand, "Yo Marco. Usted?, lots of smiling, "No Hablas Español!", "Soy Canadiense", "Republica Dominicana, bonito", "Brugal, Presidente, chicas", "Bueno, bueno, bueno"...
And bore the heck out of them, repeating those few words I know.
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Old 11-29-2006, 11:19 AM
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I'd agree with that. 'Babbling' works like a charm for me, too I'm rarely pulled over and on occasions when I have been I have obeyed the command and then been motioned to drive on before I get near enough to extend a hand for a handshake. However, I'm female, so that might have something to do with it.

The other thing I've seen work (in the daytime) is deliberate 'kangaroo' jump or stalling of vehicle followed by clapping hand over mouth in a 'lordy what have I done' gesture. Seems to work for female drivers maybe because it puts the gringa in the role of stupid driver and thus lightens the tension and everyone laughs.

In summary display friendliness, openess, self-confidence (unless stalling vehicle) and interest. Do not display fear, concern, guilt or anger. A 'worried' gringo face is often mistaken for a 'guilty' gringo face, or at least one that can be taken advantage of!
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Old 11-29-2006, 11:37 AM
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Not really.
Many of the criminals who operate in the Bella Vista, Mirador Sur areas come from the neighbourhoods below Parque Mirador, like Honduras. The western end of Anacaona Avenue is adjacent to Herrera. Also, the drug crime hotspot map published in the papers recently had Bella Vista as a high-drug use area.
The area around Bella Vista Mall is now known for its high crime rate (muggins, break-ins and car theft). I've heard that the barrio three blocks away (behind Farmacia Brasil), known as "El Semillero" the police won't dare enter. I recently installed one of those radar alarms that bark like a Doberman Pinscher when it picks up movement through the wall. Anyone approaching the vecinity of my front door is greeted with loud barking. When there's a knock on the door, the members of my household have been instructed to say, "wait, I'm going to chain the dog", before opening. Even the neighbors believe we have a wild pitbull roaming freely inside the apartment.
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Old 11-29-2006, 12:46 PM
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To do shortlist:

1. Learn the language - buy a Spanish Grammar Book - start with reading and writing first (3 to 4 months) after that focus on speaking. Also, watch lots of Dominican programs on tv.
2. Dress like the locals - baseball cap, jeans, t-shirt - no shorts or obvious jewelry. I'm a white guy from South Carolina and I know I hardly get noticed a lot of times although my wife's sister says I should dress like the engineer that I am. Dominicans who have money typically dress in expensive clothes, etc. so don't be like them.
3. Don't carry a lot of cash and be careful to hide what you have when you're paying for stuff.
4. Haircut for guys - no bangs, comb back if long but better is crewcut or shave it off. For women see what the locals do.
5. Put bars on windows and doors. Close in yard with wall and metal fence.
6. Don't go out late at night if possible, if so with Dominican friends/family.
7. Know your neighbors and exchange phone #'s for emergency purposes.
8. Make Dominican friends. It would recommend finding friends who are professionals. This isn't to say that you can't with other Dominicans but you really need to understand a few things about their psyche beforehand. PM me for further explanation.
I understand dressing down, or at least not being flashy with what you wear, but the main reason for coming to the DR for me is the weather! I want to be in shorts! 82 degrees and in long pants? This is what I pay for, to be in shorts and a t-shirt, instead of bundling up for a Canadian winter. I am not a hat person of anykind and prefer not to trap the heat in where 30% of the heat will leave from. No flashy jewellery either, just a $250.00 Casio watch. I leave in 2 weeks for a month and I MIGHT have 1 pair of long pants with me.
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