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Old 05-14-2007, 11:43 AM
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Because a great tipping tourist is WAY preferable to a bad tipping one! ..at least from the perspective of the working class Dominican..



You tip. Hence, your working class Dominican working in the tourism industry would rather have you visiting than one of those average Aleman that has stopped coming. They would rather have the average American that has started coming than that average German that has stopped so. ..it means they can put more food on their family and make the pie go higher, lol.

P.S when I say luxury hotels I mean of the type where each rooms has its own jacuzzi.

P.S. I don't tip much so I'm quite sure they'd prefer you over me, lol. (just a joke, I actually tip well)
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Old 05-14-2007, 11:52 AM
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When the low quality of the tourist you get is only enough to break even, its pretty stuff to invest in improving the quality and standards of what you provide, ..

Look what happens when the quality of the tourist goes up (i.e higher spenders):
http://dominicantribune.com/app/article.aspx?id=23895

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Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic is in the midst of a hotel boom with more than 1,100 rooms set to join the area's room pool over the next two years.

New this month is the Golf Suites in Punta Cana, featuring 58 villas with 94 suites. The hotel brand is part of the Spanish-owned CTCOP Group.

Facilities include an infinity pool, a beach club, meeting rooms, 24-hour room service and a spa and fitness center. In addition, the 27-hole Cocotal Golf & Country Club adjacent to the Golf Suites is accessible to guests of the hotel.
For rates and details, visit :::::::::: the Golf Suites ::::::::::::::: or call (305) 767-2656.

The Agua Resort & Spa, also in Punta Cana, will open its doors May 11. Although the luxury property, 24 miles from Punta Cana International Airport, will offer an American Plan (three meals a day) menu option, it will not be an all-inclusive resort.

The property's 53 suites are situated in 18 villas and resort facilities include a spa, a beachfront infinity pool, a fitness room, meetings facilities, 24-hour room service, three restaurants, concierge and butler services, Wi-Fi throughout the property, a mini kids' club, tennis courts and a variety of water sports.

Rates this summer range from $400 to $600 per room, per night, double. For details, visit Agua - Resort and Spa.

The Spanish NH Hoteles chain will make its Caribbean debut with two properties in Punta Cana, the first to open in December followed by a second in mid-2008
The 660-room Hotel Bavaro Real Arena, described as a five-star facility, is set to open this December and will include a small convention center.
Hotel VIP Real Arena, meanwhile, is slated to open in mid-2008 with 375 rooms and also is targeted at the luxury market.
Both properties represent an investment of $150 million. NH Hoteles' portion of the investment represents $5 million; several other partners also are involved, according to Gabriele Burgio, president.

NH Hoteles also is involved in the Cap Cana development project near Punta Cana and will build a 90-room boutique beachfront hotel and 250 rental apartments, which will be owned 50% each by NH Hoteles and Cap Cana. No opening date has been released.
NH Hoteles operates 258 hotels with 37,643 rooms in 19 countries in Europe, Latin America and Africa. For details on the chain's properties, visit Reservation hotels, offers accommodation Madrid, Barcelona, Marbella - NH.
Cap Cana and Trump ..Westin and Roco Ki ..Jack Nicklaus and Rincon Bay, those aren't even mentioned.

Viva America! ..Vivan los gringos!

PUNTACANA REsort & CLUBS is set to soon open its Los Corales development to at to it's recently opened luxury+ boutique hotel, ..

Welcome to PUNTACANA RESORT & CLUB

Miamis BAP people had such a good time with their recent Casa de Campo investments, that they recently dicided to greatly expand , ..

The Lofts at Dye Fore - Project Details
Villas at Dye Fore - Project Details
Bienvenidos al Hoy Digital
Luis Fonsi y Bárbara Bermudo participan en campaña publicitaria :: Bienes Raices :: DiarioDigitalRD.com - Noticias Republica Dominicana


Americans have brought an upscale tourism boom never seen before in the island of Hispaniola!

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Old 05-14-2007, 12:22 PM
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Default Tipping out of Vanity?!?

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From contacts with local Russians I can tell that they tip alot. Like Americans - of vanity also. Trying also to impress and a bit put down others around.

From this goes another similarity of Russians and Americans - wherever both appear they destroy markets.
Smart locals explore their vanity and lack of market experience and smartness and start overcharging them immediately. The process that we are witnessing now in Sosua (especialy in RE).
When I first read this, I was a little offended. But then I read your previous posts and had to laugh.

What we have here is a case of the "raspberries." You are upset because you can no longer vacation in the DR for dirt cheap, exploitative prices.
But don't blame dominicans because they've chosen one type of tourist over another. You would have a hard time convincing them that they benefit more from a tourist industry that limits their capital gains.

And for Americans, tipping appropriately is not "vanity". It's considered a good business practice. We believe in paying for service. And we definitely believe in paying to play. We would consider someone with your philosophy as being cheap. Now, I realize that this might just be a cultural difference. But calling american tourists unsophisticated because we don't mind spending more on our vacations is just ignorant.

Did you ever stop to think that this attitude of yours might be the reason no one is really missing the German tourists?

As for us ruining the market, check out the development that Trump is planning for the North Coast.

Vince.
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Old 05-14-2007, 12:25 PM
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As a general rule: the more expensive the hotel the more employees per guest it has .. and the better its employees are paid (not even including tips!). It holds in DR ..its a nice rule to have!

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As for us ruining the market, check out the development that Trump is planning for the North Coast.
North Coast? ..Trump at Rincon Bay Samana? ..Trump at Atlantica? ..Trump at Playa Grande? ..somewhere else? ..please tell!!

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Old 05-14-2007, 12:49 PM
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Trump is developing on the East Coast, not the North.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

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Old 05-14-2007, 12:52 PM
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Yeah, the East Coast (i.e. Where most American go!)

that's where his new Apprentice is going too, ..

Associated Press: Meet the $2 Billion "TRUMP at CAP CANA"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read the following

Revista Clave, which is owned by the same people behind Cap Cana (Page 49):



De linaje inmobiliario,
la hija de Donald
Trump no se aparta
del mundo de la moda
y el lujo. Comentó a
CLAVE que abrió una
joyería artesanal de diamantes
en Las Vegas y en
Nueva York, que adora a
Carolina Herrera y venera
a Cocco Chanel, tal como
lo demostró con un vintage
negro la noche de la
apertura de la Marina. La
espigada rubia estuvo en el
ranking de las top-model a los
16 años. Nueve años pasan
e Ivanka impulsa proyectos
millonarios desde la Trump
World Tower, en Manhattan.
Uno de estos es Trump at Cap
Cana. En Cap Cana, Ivanka
proyecta construir una torre
“que venere el sol, aquí, en
Cap Cana”, así como organizar
un certamen de Miss Universo,
después de 2009.

Grupo Abrisa

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Old 05-14-2007, 01:33 PM
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When I first read this, I was a little offended. But then I read your previous posts and had to laugh.

What we have here is a case of the "raspberries." You are upset because you can no longer vacation in the DR for dirt cheap, exploitative prices.
But don't blame dominicans because they've chosen one type of tourist over another. You would have a hard time convincing them that they benefit more from a tourist industry that limits their capital gains.

And for Americans, tipping appropriately is not "vanity". It's considered a good business practice. We believe in paying for service. And we definitely believe in paying to play. We would consider someone with your philosophy as being cheap. Now, I realize that this might just be a cultural difference. But calling american tourists unsophisticated because we don't mind spending more on our vacations is just ignorant.

Did you ever stop to think that this attitude of yours might be the reason no one is really missing the German tourists?

As for us ruining the market, check out the development that Trump is planning for the North Coast.

Vince.
I am not a tourist. And I am not German. But I love your cool intelligent american post alot! Gracias!
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Old 05-14-2007, 01:59 PM
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I am not a tourist. And I am not German. But I love your cool intelligent american post alot! Gracias!

Sorry!

I just naturally assumed by the text of your qoute, especially the one praising german tourists' sophistication and practicability, that you yourself were German. I apologize for that assumption.

I stand by my belief that tourism should never be a one-way street. Those of us who travel to the DR often benefit greatly from it's people and it's culture. Therefore, we have no reason to be stingy with our tourist dollars.

Having said that, I will be in Santiago this Friday. If any Dr1ners happen to be in Ahi Bar around 8 o'clock, drinks are on me. Look for two clean-shaven african american guys throwing back la benedictas.

Nos vemos despues.

Vince.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:05 PM
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Sorry!

I just naturally assumed by the text of your qoute, especially the one praising german tourists' sophistication and practicability, that you yourself were German. I apologize for that assumption.

I stand by my belief that tourism should never be a one-way street. Those of us who travel to the DR often benefit greatly from it's people and it's culture. Therefore, we have no reason to be stingy with our tourist dollars.

Having said that, I will be in Santiago this Friday. If any Dr1ners happen to be in Ahi Bar around 8 o'clock, drinks are on me. Look for two clean-shaven african american guys throwing back la benedictas.

Nos vemos despues.

Vince.
`ta cool!

a proposito, how do you call in your homeland a person who pays 10 bucks for something that all others pay $5?

Just to improve my knowledge of English.
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Old 05-14-2007, 03:49 PM
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It's much easier when the price shown is the price you pay!
I hate haggling. When I asked this Haitian guy selling stuff in shop on Sosuab beach he said he used have prices on his items but tourist would still haggle so he took the prices off.
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