This is INCREDIBLE...

korejdk · #1 02-22-2008, 05:41 PM

how can this be oh dear god ?!?!?!?!?

http://www2.dominicantoday.com/dr/lo...m-state-police

Rocky · #2 02-22-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by korejdk

how can this be oh dear god ?!?!?!?!?

http://www2.dominicantoday.com/dr/lo...m-state-police

Let's hope that someone feels passionate enough about it, that he/she ensures that the perps get what's coming to them.

korejdk · #3 02-22-2008, 05:51 PM

all this while Leonel is busy riding the metro for the coming elections....I mean, even in Afrika the tribal elders would set up a court or the fellow villagers would lynch 'em animals

Rocky · #4 02-22-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by korejdk

all this while Leonel is busy riding the metro for the coming elections....I mean, even in Afrika the tribal elders would set up a court or the fellow villagers would lynch 'em animals

I don't think that Leonel has much to do with it, but it would be nice to hear that someone took care of it.
Even in the fairest justice systems in the world, there are still flaws and injustices, and it's even more prevalent here.
Then it's time to take care of business in a different fashion.

Chirimoya · #5 02-22-2008, 06:03 PM

I was at the press conference this morning and had to choke back the tears when the girl's aunts were speaking. A lot of media as well as DT were there, so I hope the publicity leads to the desired results.

korejdk · #6 02-22-2008, 06:57 PM

Marco, I beg to differ - it has EVERYTHING to do with Leonel - I mean the ministry of justice, the pilice chief etc they all respond to them !!!
I am writing to the New York Times about this, let's seee if it leads anywhere.

Rocky · #7 02-22-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by korejdk

Marco, I beg to differ - it has EVERYTHING to do with Leonel - I mean the ministry of justice, the pilice chief etc they all respond to them !!!
I am writing to the New York Times about this, let's seee if it leads anywhere.

I understand your point.
The buck always stops with the highest placed/ranked person in command, but by that same logic, if someone were to pickpocket you in NYC, could you blame the US President?
If the guy was caught but won his case and went free, could you blame the President?
One might argue that there is more corruption here and that the President allows it, but that wouldn't be true.
First, the country was already corrupt when he became President, furthermore, the DR is probably no more corrupt that any other country, only it's done in the open here.
Other countries hide it better.
Nevertheless, that is a subject for another day.
The important matter at hand is that if the justice system failed this poor young child, then it's time for a different approach.
May they suffer 100 times the grief they have caused.

Chirimoya · #8 02-22-2008, 07:08 PM

It's more complex than that - this happens because of corruption and the culture of impunity, the early sexualisation of young girls and children, the fact that in the campo and in the barrios it is accepted that girls as young as this are 'taken' and initiated by older men... so for some individuals all young girls are seen as fair game. This is just an extremely horrendous example of that attitude. But korejdk, I agree. Definitely the authorities, Leonel or whoever, should take steps - here is an excerpt from Mujer y Salud's statement:

(Mujer y Salud are) issuing a public demand in the presence of the national and international communications media for the state to intervene, to ensure that:
-Not even one more rape should be tolerated,
-The only one of the seven aggressors should not remain free and that his flight should be prevented,
-All seven aggressors are sent to justice,
-The case should be reopened,
-The aggressor who is a fugitive should be pursued and arrested,
-All the officials and police officers involved should be investigated and removed from their posts,
-The witness in the case, who has been threatened on a number of occasions, should be given protection measures
-An investigation into the mother’s death should be launched,
-The penal process in relation to the rape of her eight-year old sister should be launched as well.

They also say that they will take it to international human rights bodies if the DR authorities don't act.

ETA: this is a reply to korejdk, not Rocky

Rocky · #9 02-22-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chirimoya

It's more complex than that - this happens because of corruption and the culture of impunity, the early sexualisation of young girls and children, the fact that in the campo and in the barrios it is accepted that girls as young as this are 'taken' and initiated by older men... - But definitely the authorities, Leonel or whoever, should take steps - here is an excerpt from Mujer y Salud's statement:

(Mujer y Salud are) issuing a public demand in the presence of the national and international communications media for the state to intervene, to ensure that:
-Not even one more rape should be tolerated,
-The only one of the seven aggressors should not remain free and that his flight should be prevented,
-All seven aggressors are sent to justice,
-The case should be reopened,
-The aggressor who is a fugitive should be pursued and arrested,
-All the officials and police officers involved should be investigated and removed from their posts,
-The witness in the case, who has been threatened on a number of occasions, should be given protection measures
-An investigation into the mother’s death should be launched,
-The penal process in relation to the rape of her eight-year old sister should be launched as well.

They also say that they will take it to international human rights bodies if the DR authorities don't act.

Now that's something positive.

Buzzard · #10 02-22-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocky

furthermore, the DR is probably no more corrupt that any other country,

How could anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of the issue make such a statement?