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Old 07-23-2008, 10:32 AM
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Pichardo,

I always enjoy your posts; well spoken, assured and almost always germane. However, what are your credentials? I respect your opinion but after reading your posts am almost always left with an aftertaste of propaganda. Do you work for the government or are you an unbiased observer? Or is that a stupid question?

Sollie
I think That Pichardo is the " president " of the DR.

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Old 07-23-2008, 10:33 AM
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The DR unlike other countries decided to employ national engineers and construction sectors than let full foreign assembled teams do the job. The foreign teams had provided a working timeframe to line 1 of no less than 4 1/2 to 5 years for a fully operational system under their control. The DR was able to do it in less than half the time and with an unmatched cost per kilometer by any Metro system of the same level.
Sure! We've all seen the quality of construction of government projects in DR. So here's to hoping that this model of quality construction holds up to the daily weight and vibration forces of a train operating 24 hours a day.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:36 PM
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It would be a breath of fresh air, considering that this is the fourth time that this administration has announced such a plan. We all saw how much was done the other three times!



So we should believe that the SD metro will generate more revenue from selling advertising and renting out space for shops? That's real funny! I guess that rental and ad rates are now higher in SD than NYC.

Never said MORE, but in fact better suited from the offset to do just the same. In fact the SD Metro advertising revenue system was planned with the rail system itself, not as an add on to it for post benefit. That's where the 1000% better comes into play. Don't compare apples to oranges my friend...

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This constitutes an admission to the OP's point that the general population will end up subsidizing a large portion of the operational cost of the SD metro.
Mass transit is NEVER funded to be run apart from public coffers, tell me the country where this is done and will tip my hat to you in kind...

Subsidy of the electrical sector will end to 100%; the gov will produce the electricity that today it must overpay for when we refer to public street lighting, gov buildings, schools, etc... The subsidy only applies when the gov must pay for the goods or facilitator at market prices in order to lower the value of such services/goods.

The way the gov will support the Metro system of the DR is not subsidy but plain gov investment and support of PUBLIC infrastructure. Just as it's the job of gov to keep streets transit able, public safety and the like; such is equal the role of gov when mass transportation is allowed to flourish. Supporting a myriad of cartels to keep the city moving towards full development is the talk of fools and people with no transportation knowledge whatsoever.



[/quote]You mean the train cars, right? The entire SD metro system also includes the stations, rail lines, etc. I seriously doubt your assumption that no major maintenance will be needed for a long period of time, considering the usual lifespan of other major projects (roads, bridges) undertaken by the government.[/quote]

Let's see: Rails? Rails are rotated in a preset timely fashion according to usage and normal tear and wear. The need to replace worn rails after they served their full rotational cycle doesn't mean the worn rails will see the dumpster but recycling bin...

The stations of the SD Metro were constructed with the elemental structure set on reinforced concrete of the highest quality and serving in the role of 95% of the stations basic to moderated body. I effect, all you need to replace are tiles on the floors victims to tear and wear, paint, broken glass, non working lights, etc... Where exactly do you foresee this "Grand" major maintenance in the making? Cars? The fitting of a highly technical dept in the yards is to this end the #1 reason cars will be on operations regardless of mechanical/cosmetics/electronics/etc... problems.

The cars will have even a paint and cosmetics bay at the yards to keep the same way they were when first run in the system...

When you talk about the other things, like OMSA, you omit the essential that those buses serve beyond their capacity given what was budgeted since their inception into the public transport system. A bus fleet will operate at 95% of abilities when you buy the entire programme, not some buses and spares.

The DR's prior purchase orders for the public transportation needs, always faced the same dilemma, that once the administration in power left the next obliterated the prior programme to assure that only the "progress" they committed to, remained when the election cycle repeated for them.

The Metro system breaks away from this as the system was planned to be run separated from the public office in as much, that any gov interference of the system once placed in semi private/pubic hands will result in litigation on the international courts.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:45 PM
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Are you serious? I almost chocked on my muffin when I read this!

Please name the major government official that has been ousted by the Fernandez administration because of corruption. Note that I said major; a few low level pee-ons that are sent packing just for show don't count!
The current administration or any following this one, will have very little to do with the flagging system that will be in place in 100% in the coming months.

If you follow the news of recently public servants that have been forced to step away from their public posts, you'll find more than the proof you need.

Ousting of public figures is something done for political reasons, immediate removal of public figures under the weight of hard proof of their illicit gains is quite another ongoing thing.

Those who think they'll be able to flaunt their political connections of power will fall like dominoes stacked just for the pleasure of knocking them down.

The system is being "run" on a limited red-tape scope; once it gets the nod to full implementation gov will be monitored without political intervention or manipulation. Just some simple way of assuring honesty via electronic monitoring...

As I said before, is not Fernandez's work but the work of many people with the interests of our nation before anything else and that of our future generations to come...
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Old 07-23-2008, 06:01 PM
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Sure! We've all seen the quality of construction of government projects in DR. So here's to hoping that this model of quality construction holds up to the daily weight and vibration forces of a train operating 24 hours a day.
Hipocrito, the DR's public construction is defined as one of the best in LA. Not only b/c of the work but the same structural soundness in view of the lack of maintenance they're afforded yet still stand, unlike many in LA and "GASP" the old US of A... Where a complete bridge plummets down to unsuspecting users... Lack of maintenance was found to be the #1 reason for it.

Now you take that to the DR and search the last bridge that just plummeted while serving normal traffic and usage. Those that fell took a nasty storm to erode them in order to bring them down. Mind you, it was the surrounding secondary supports to the structures that failed causing the effect.

Complete spans of elevated networks had to be replaced in other countries (wink) due to inferior work and material quality...

Which was the last elevated to be knocked down in the DR due to this?

When you want to make a point use tangible examples, else keep your baseless points to the jokes thread...

Think of this: If a quake the magnitude of the last in the DR were to hit one of those developed cities in our Hemisphere (wink), the tally of unsound structures would make Hiroshima look like a sneeze...
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:33 PM
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When you want to make a point use tangible examples, else keep your baseless points to the jokes thread...
You want a tangible example with some base? Explain this to me, answer man... Why is it that major international insurance companies refuse to insure the major infrastructure projects in DR? You think that the lack of sound construction codes, techniques, and materials has anything to do with it?
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:43 PM
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I'm not going to quote the entire post since it's so long, but post #33 illustrates the double talk that is commonly spewed by the SD metro defenders and PLD apologists. On one hand, they claim that the government will not subsidize or pay for any part of the operational cost of the metro, and on the other hand they admit that no other such system in the world operates "apart from public coffers", and use that fact as an excuse for their real intention to subsidize the metro.

So which one is it? Don't bother to answer, as it's quite clear to anyone with half a brain!
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:53 PM
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The current administration or any following this one, will have very little to do with the flagging system that will be in place in 100% in the coming months.

If you follow the news of recently public servants that have been forced to step away from their public posts, you'll find more than the proof you need.

Ousting of public figures is something done for political reasons, immediate removal of public figures under the weight of hard proof of their illicit gains is quite another ongoing thing.

Those who think they'll be able to flaunt their political connections of power will fall like dominoes stacked just for the pleasure of knocking them down.
Blah, blah, blah... name one, just one high level government official that has been ousted by this administration. Heck, they can't even claim to have made a real effort to prosecute the crooks from Hipo's administration, so why would they go after their own?
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:50 PM
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Pichardo has made some good points in this argument.

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Now you take that to the DR and search the last bridge that just plummeted while serving normal traffic and usage. Those that fell took a nasty storm to erode them in order to bring them down. Mind you, it was the surrounding secondary supports to the structures that failed causing the effect.
Are you referring to the bridge that recently collapsed in Minnesota? You'd think the authorities had learn their lesson when the I-95 bridge that in Greenwich, CT; the bridge that connects CT with NY; collapsed in the 1980s in broad daylight.

Oh well...

Look at it here: Minnesota Bridge Collapse

BTW, the most recent bridge (that I remember) that collapsed in the DR was near Cotuí less than a year ago. The reason: a truck driver who didn't read the weight limit sign crossed the bridge and the thing went down. But that's no big deal since the fault fell on the truck driver with his overweight truck, not on the bridge or the engineers who designed the bridge.

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Think of this: If a quake the magnitude of the last in the DR were to hit one of those developed cities in our Hemisphere (wink), the tally of unsound structures would make Hiroshima look like a sneeze...
Are you referring to the earthquake that hit the DR a few years ago, reaching over a 6 on the Ritcher scale and yet, there was a minimal number of collapse, no deaths due to collapses (although a few people did died of heart attacks after the tremor passed, but with such a scare that's expected) and most of the infrastructure remained intact?

Some say it was a miracle, but it could had been what you say Pichardo. Similar earthquakes in other countries have certainly caused tremendous damage to their infrastructure and hoards of deaths due to widespread poor construction methods.

For the naysayers about the quality of the construction of the Metro, here is what an expert on Metro from Spain had to say about the Santo Domingo Metro:

Metro de Santo Domingo

For those of you who don't know Spanish, he said that the Metro of Santo Domingo is at par in quality with the Metro in Madrid, considered to be the best in the world.

-NALs

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Old 07-24-2008, 12:18 AM
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No offense NALs, but you're not the most unbiased of observers. It's obvious from your many posts that you've also partaken in the purple cool-aid.
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