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Old 02-16-2003, 11:07 PM
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Pib, as a Goddess, you should ask for a very high price.
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Old 02-16-2003, 11:20 PM
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I am not saying breaking all the written rules and norms society has laid down. The world would be chaos according to Thomas Hobbes if everyone sought pleasure without regards to anyone else or resorted to violence to resolve conflict. The state of nature theory. I am talking about not being conforming all the time and acting on how you perceive others want you to act. There is a big difference between the pursuit of pleasure and going against all norms, statutes, and roles assigned to an individual in a society to obtain that pleasure. I seek pleasure in everything I do unless it will cause me harm or harm others. You can still be a responsible, law abiding citizen and seek pleasure though you may have to go against unwritten rules at times. That is what I meant when I was talking about not living a life of conformity.
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Old 02-17-2003, 12:14 AM
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I've always been somewhat anti-casual sex..... it all changed one marvellous night after watching an episode of Sex in the City. It's amazing how this show deals with this topic. It gives us a totally new perspective about casual sex, and in a sense, it tries to make us see it as 'not so bad'.

The general view in the mainstream mentality these days is somewhat shifting about casual sex..... I'm not saying we should all run around and have sex like there's no tomorrow BUT... if anything... I see it as a stage of the 'lost generation' (or are we the X generation these days because some wise ass decided to call us after a chromosome?)... the group in their 20's and 30s.

during this age gap.... just before the marriage, it's sort of OK these days to have casual sex.... suposedly to find some sort of an inner self that some crazy psychologists love to yap about (and I hear some psychologist/sexologist frech chic on the DR1 can tell you all about it

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you're good if you don't have casual sex.... but you're still good if you do.

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Old 02-17-2003, 12:45 AM
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This may seem an odd question, but I'd really like some real answers. How does a person learn to take sex casually, as in no emmotional attachment?
From a man's perpective, which is the only one I can give you, casual sex is little more than letting your hormones do the thinking for you. Animalistic instict at its best -- or worse, depending on your view. But, taboos aside, the sex drive itself is nothing more than a biological marker we all share in some degree. So, in theory at least, we are all well capable of enganging in just such an activity -- we are built to reproduce and sex is the mechanism we use to do so. Nothing more and nothing less.

However, in the case of most human beings, emotions play a large role in controlling/curbing our needs and desires. If they didn't, our behavior would be almost undistinguishable from other primates, and by extension, the rest of the animal kingdom. Now, you'll also notice that infants are constantly seeking satisfaction almost always with little or no regard to the consequences of their actions. But as we develop and mature, we learn that not only actions have consequences but that they also provoke all sorts of reactios in other people both positive and negative. And that is what is at issue here.

Which leads to my next point.

Sex, the desire for it and the way we go about pursuing it, is largely conditioned by our upbringing. The social mores prevalent in our societies as expressed by those with the largest influence over us such as parents, teachers, religion for those of faith, friends, and last but not least society itself, are the ones that ultimately give us the building blocks upon which we build our personal morality. But here's the thing, ultimately, that means didley if those are the very reasons that are making you unhappy.

In other words, if as a rational adult, the only thing holding you back from persuing your needs and desires are the very cultural memes you inherited through the means I described above, then, it is up to you, and nobody else, to question each and everyone of them. Not an easy thing to do I'll grant anyone, as it is likely to shake the very foundation you've built your worldview on -- but I know of no other way of figuring out if you've been building on quicksand or not. And that is not only the only way of knowing, but of correcting it.

If after doing so, you come to the realization that casual sex, is in fact, something you're intrigued by, then there's really nothing to "learn." The only thing left is getting up the courage of going out and trying it. Which of course, won't guarantee a wondeful experience or a lifelong pursuit of debauchery. But it will bring your feelings out into the open for the most important person in the world to analyze: YOU. And if the realization is that you'd want to include casual sex into your lifestyle -- in whatever degree -- so be it. It is your life to live, not anybody else's. And even if you have a regular partner, he/she should be made aware of your feelings. Because if you don't or can't, you're guaranteeing a certain amount of misery by way of undermining your (true) nature. Remember, nothing is more natural than being yourself.

The fact that you brought up the topic to begin with -- though I admit I didn't read the rest of the thread -- suggests there's an interest of some sort already. Or perhaps a desire to understand those that do. But whichever it is, I congratulate you for bringing it up in what is not, to me at least, the most tolerant board around when it comes to women's fantasies or desires.

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How does one deal with the double standards? Ignore them or what?


Simple. Screw them if they can't take a joke -- find the ones than can and ignore the rest

Pardon the longwinded response, but this a topic (not necessarily 'casual sex' but fantasies and desires vis-a-vis overcoming conditioning and taboos) that has fascinated me for a very long time.

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Old 02-17-2003, 12:46 AM
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ok Dale. clarified. Got it. I think.
Lee lee, if you want to keep that status, keep away from the Brugal. And Mary WAS Jewish!
Now who's this sexologist? I want to meet her!
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Old 02-17-2003, 01:14 AM
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Casual Sex? As opposed to what? Formal Sex?

Jeez!!!! All this amature feminist psychobable almost takes all the fun out of playing "Hide the Salami!" Almost!!!!!
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Old 02-17-2003, 01:54 AM
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Ownules, You gave me a lot to think about. It’s funny you mention the hormone issue as that is part of what has created a change in me. My testosterone level has risen beyond the call of duty and I seem to have become less of a conformist-passive and this is interfering with what has been an established agreement for many years in my relationship. My body says one thing and my mind says another. I do have to find a middle ground somewhere. And I have been questioning the grounds upon which my moral foundation was built. I am slowly figuring out that the first thing is to give myself time to see what changes, if any, I want to effect. Yes, it is obvious that if I asked the question, I have more than a passing interest on the subject and there is an element of fear. Not about what people may say since I wouldn’t go around bragging about such a thing, but I am not sure I am cut out for it. As Tondra said earlier, I think I would wind up feeling bad about myself, then again.. would I?
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Old 02-17-2003, 02:09 AM
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Amber sounds to me like your just reaching your sexual peak. Enjoy.
Ownrules..I think you should start a thread on fantasies and desires, if we could keep it clean. Would be interesting.
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Old 02-17-2003, 02:24 AM
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sounds like I'm headed for trouble, Ana. Does it get any worse??
And please make sure to define "clean" if there's going to be a thread on fantasies.
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Old 02-17-2003, 09:56 AM
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Amber,

It sounds like you are where I was when I turned thirty. I agree with OwnRules, that probably the only way to know how you will ultimately feel about casual sex is to just do it. Just be sure you have laid out the ground rules for yourself beforehand. Don't beat yourself up about whatever decision you make. It is YOUR decision to make and no one else's.

It does not make you BAD to enter into casual sex if you and your partner are clear on what is happening. That is why I say, set your groundrules and abide by them. If you enjoy it, great. If not, maybe it isn't for you or it isn't time yet. For myself, I don't rule it out entirely. I hope I always keep an open mind about my life and change when it feels right. As I always told my students, "the minute you stop learning is the minute you start dying" (maybe kind of heavy for a Monday morning, but you get my drift).

I don't know where you are in the DR, but feel free to contact me at Villas Doradas (Feb. 18 - 25) if you would like to continue this discussion over a drink or two.

So I will see you all in the sun soon,

Tondra Bowers
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