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Old 09-26-2006, 02:39 PM
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Yes, many poor people in need of help, but let's get one thing clear, if your goal is to satisfy your needs, you aren't helping them. Help them without expecting anything in return ... many ways to help, but as soon as you make your needs part of the deal, guess what, you're not helping, you're taking care of numero uno!!!! ... 'feed them for a day, give them a fish, feed them for life, teach them to fish', have you taught anyone anything for them to improve their lives????

I couldnt have said it better myself!!

BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-26-2006, 02:49 PM
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Yes, many poor people in need of help, but let's get one thing clear, if your goal is to satisfy your needs, you aren't helping them. Help them without expecting anything in return ... many ways to help, but as soon as you make your needs part of the deal, guess what, you're not helping, you're taking care of numero uno!!!! ... 'feed them for a day, give them a fish, feed them for life, teach them to fish', have you taught anyone anything for them to improve their lives????
I have in a previous relationship tried to help out a young lady. I met her in Sosua but she was from the capital. She was young and was'nt your hard-core Sosua whore type. I took a liking to her and yes I liked being with her. So I tried to help. Things did not work out because she failed to understand that to be with someone who likes her enough to want to help(very much unlike your typical barrio-dwelling tigre, who just wants to take take take) she needed to take care of her end. She had no concept of this. This give and take is what drives EVERY realationship, regardless of what form it comes in.

For you to say that I should help someone and not expect something in return is an irresponsible, sanctimonious statement with no basis in reality. Everyone wants and needs in return. Your comment is just out of whack with reality. I have a feeling that you are commenting on a situation you know absolutely 100% nothing about.

Finally one of my Sosua hooker stories actually came in handy!!
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Old 09-26-2006, 03:07 PM
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Thanks Darlene!. But the initial thread I had in mind, something like "What happens to those "youngies" after being dumped by their old foreign fools", was not approved!.
Your thread was not allowed because it was purely a "witch hunt" on your part. You know that, we discussed it via PM's and that's where it should have ended. But hey, if your still hell bent on going after an individual, go right ahead, I'll just delete the thread and your account. Is that clear enough?

Charlie, I don't think some posters are out of touch with reality, I just think they are a little bent out of shape with your reality.

You have a "pocket full of personality", that's the reality. If you had no money, you would have no reason to have a "Flickr" account. You move in poor barrios for a very good reason, the same reason you don't move around or live in middle-class barrios.

It's your life, your not doing anything illegal, maybe a littler immoral in the eyes of some. Yes, some consider you a worthless gringo coming down here taken advantage of the poor girls in barrios. I guess that's true in some respects, but as I said to someone recently in a PM.
Is that worse than the 1000's of 12-15 yr old Dominican girls that have kids to Dominican fathers of all ages that dump them as soon as they know they are pregnant?
Now they are the ones I truly feel sorry for, not the ones running around with a love sick gringo for a few pesos. Then again, who am I to bring this up? It's been going on for generations here and no change in sight. At the end of the day, nothing worse than people trying to inflict their moral values on others. Right?

My recommendation is to live your life how you see fit, but avoid posting about it here on DR1
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Old 09-26-2006, 03:57 PM
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Miguel my friend,

You and most of the posters here are really out of touch with what I am trying to say. There are very few of you here that go to the DR looking for love or companionship. Most of you uninformed people go to the DR for vacation and have little or no clue what the Dominican culture is today. Other members here go to visit families who make up the middle and upper class of Dominican society. Few if any of you go to the DR and mingle with the poorest of the poor, the uneducated, who have little to no hope for better lives. You only visit the AI’s, fancy restaurants and clubs. You never see the real DR or its people.

Sure Miguel, you are Dominican but you have lost all touch with reality, and probably never saw it when you were growing up. You have always lived in a different world than most Dominicans. I challenge anyone to spend some time with real barrio people and tell me how you can associate it with anything you can relate to in your own lives.

Your statement that “Only people with no self-value and morals can make the transaction from housewives to prostitutes.” is so untrue. No one knows what they are capable of doing in any given situation.

Yes the DR is full of hardcore hookers and whores, but it is also full of good women that are only opportunists. Money is money whether it comes easy or you break your back for it.

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With all due respect, you know what, "with all due respect" nothing, Charlie this is one of the most absurd posts I have read on DR1, regarding me, since I have been a member!.

As I told our buddy AZB yesterday, after spending time with, after so many years as a DR1 member and after so many posts, YOU know basically NOTHING about me!.

See, I have the best of both "worlds": Very Americanized but raised as a Dominican!.

I have been visiting the DR since 1983 and only ONCE have I NOT mingled with the "poor and uneducated" Dominicans, like you call them. Btw, the only time was on my last visit, this month, and only because I needed the to relax in order to not get a breakdown!. And even then, I had some "poor and uneducated" Dominicans, like you call them, come spend time with me.

I have said thousand of times that I enjoy spending time with the people from the old neighborhood, Villa Duarte. Yes, I have taken vacations and stayed in Mom Elena's home, who lives in Barrio La Francia Nueva, the whole vacation. I know EVERYBODY from that barrio.

It will be very hard for SOME of you to believe but EVERYBODY in that barrio, and the surrounding barrios, LOVE ME!.

They love me NOT because I am a darn tourist who is only going to help their "cause" after they "help me first" BUT because I have NOT forgotten my roots, my friends and from where I came from. They know that when Miguel is in the country, it would not be long before he drops by to say "hi" and spend time with EVERYBODY. They care about me because I am not a flashy guy, because I am not a show-off, because I don't "wave" whatever riches I have around, because I don't make them feel inferior, because they know I am willing to eat their foods sitting on their floors if needs be, because they know I don't judge them for what they have but for whom they are, because they know I identify with them, because they know that in me they find the same person who left over 30 years ago, because they know that whenever they needed some type of help, that I am here to help in any way I can, because they know that I don't go to the DR to bed whomever crosses my path, because I don't go to Carwashes or Colmadones and because I don't associate with shady characters!.

In case you don't know, the worse thing you can do to a poor person is try and make yourself look like you are better off than them. The moment they think YOU feel you are better than them, they will resent you. I treat EVERYBODY the same. I don't rent a Mercedes, I don't wear 20 gold chains, I don't wave my money around, I don't wear my cell phone on my belt, I don't talk about my riches or non-riches. Why, why make them feel worse?.

Care to know how I know these people care about me?:

Because they NEVER ask me for anything!. They do not ask "what did you bring me?", they care about me for ME. They know that they do not need to ask in order for me to know what they need, they know that I do not have to have them do "favors" for me in order for me to help them out!.

Yes, I have stayed in Resorts a whole bunch of times that that does not mean that I have not visited my childhood friends and the old barrio.

But in case you don't know, this is what I do:

1- If I go with a g/f, I usually get there a few days before her, go straight to the neighborhood and spend time with them.

2- When she gets there, we go to a Resort and in MANY cases I have taken them to the barrio so she knows where I come from.

3- I make sure that I stay a few days after the g/f leaves and I check-in in a Capital hotel and visit my friends and barrios some more.

So please don't tell me that I don't know what's happening in the DR!. Your 10-20 trips (if that) are NOTHING compared to my 80 or more.

Yes, I do have a bunch of rich and "powerful" friends in the DR (well, "powerful" because of some dumbass relative) but if you have bothered to read some of my posts, I rather spend time with my poor friends because they care about me for whom I am and not because of what I have. I know that if I ever loose the 2 pennies I have in the bank, they will still accept me, I can't say the same about the rich ones!.

Btw, I know A LOT of poor poor people yet I don't know ONE prostitute!.
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Old 09-26-2006, 04:01 PM
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Back to topic please.
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Old 09-26-2006, 06:49 PM
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Come on guys, I get "told" that if I start a certain thread that I will land in "BannedVille" and all of a sudden this thread has "stopped" on a "Red Light".

Come on, it had 30 posts just TODAY!. Let's talk about if married Dominican are capable of cheating!.

I'll start, ok:

Someone mentioned that rich women would not cheat. Of course SOME do, especially if the rich person is HER husband!. .

Well, it's MY OPINION that SOME would not cheat with just about any poor "Joe". If they are going to do such a thing and if they are smart, I bet they will do it with another rich person, one who will give them the luxury they are used to.

Btw, I am sure there are a few "Sugar Mammas" in the DR!.

Anna: what happened to my previous post, it was only a reply to a post?. Never mind, I got it and "learned" my lesson!. LOL.

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Old 09-26-2006, 07:10 PM
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Well I think the original poster asked a question and he got more than a few related answers but rants always seem to get attention although in my opinion do nada except entertain.

I think we are finito here.
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