DR1ers and their Social Class

[NALs]

Originally Posted by A.Hidalgo

Then there are the "low class" of DR1 which is composed of newbies, members who are not taken seriously, etc).
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So according to your hierarchy in this case, its the number of post's that matter and to the content of what is being said?? There have been many cases that what a newbie said would blow some old timers out of water. When you get down to it this is just a forum with some rules to keep the game going. To put this as an example of class differences is ridiculous.

Who will get more attention from Robert or Dolores? An "seasoned" DR1er who complains about something on this site or a newbie?

I'm sure that if Hillbilly, for example, tells the administrators that maybe DR1 could be better if xyz changes are made, his opinion will be worth more to the administrators than an opinion by some newbie.

Even if the response would be the same to the request of both, Hillbilly's request will be taken with much more consideration than would that of a newbie.

As for "this is just a forum with some rules to keep the game going", so is everything else in life. Just rules to keep things flowing, but rules are worthless without enforcement of some kind.

BTW: being a "newbie" has nothing to do with the number of posts or lack of such. It has everything to do with the amount of time such person has been a member. There are exceptions, as with everything, and some newbies could very well be old personal friends of the administrators, which would mean that the administrators will accept any criticism from such "newbie" on a different level compared to some newbie coming out of the blue, so to speak.

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[NALs]

Originally Posted by Chris

The only 'power' moderators have is to clean up. That makes us janitors! As such, quite low down on the totem pole.

Some call it "clean up" while others call it "censorship".

You guys are enforcing the rules of DR1, rules which have been approved by the top administrators of this site.

For certain, you guys may not have as much "power" over this site as the administrators, but you do have more "power" than perhaps 99% of DR1ers. Just below you guys would come those who are influential, but can't do the "cleaning up" as you put it.

Some moderators have "cleaned up" certain threads after certain non-moderatoring members suggested them to do such.

Also, the fact that who becomes a moderator and who doesn't is decided by the administrators, that makes it clear that its an exclusive title/position on this site or any other forum.

I'm sure any DR1 can't "promote" himself to moderator category. That's something that is decided by the administrators based on various aspects of the member being considered, but the fact lies that who becomes a moderator and who is rejected or removed from such is a decision that lies with the administrators.

Once accepted as a moderator, such person will have the ability to close threads, censor posts, etc according to the rules and sometimes, according to personal beliefs or preferences.

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[NALs]

Originally Posted by qgrande

I thought this thread was about socio-economic status.

The poll is about socio-economic status, but the discussion has taken a slight twist in which we are dealing with various types of status a person belongs to, depending on the situation and relationship vis-a-vis others.

Originally Posted by qgrande

What does a civilian obeying a police officer have to with socio-economic status?

In the literal sense, nothing.

As an analogy, which is how I presented such example, its meant to show that people recognize different roles different people have in society and such differences are respected.

Anyone who says that he/she is on the same level as a police officer is fooling himself.

Insult a police officer on duty to see how he will react. The worst thing anyone could do is ignore a police officers orders, especially when he is wearing his uniform. The action of such police officer will clearly say: how dare anyone disobey a police officer in uniform.

Go ahead and do this to see what happens. Disobey a police officer in uniform to see what happens.

Originally Posted by qgrande

Who do you think is considered to have higher social status if the police officer, the CEO and the conductor meet in the pub?

The socio-economic status will go in decending order to the CEO, the police officer, and the conductor.

When the relationship between the police officer and the CEO changes (ie. the CEO caused an infraction which causes the police officer to enforce the law), at that moment in time the status (not socio-economical) goes to the Police officer. The police officer is in charge when he stops a CEO for speeding.

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[NALs]

Originally Posted by cobraboy

Whoever the bartender gives the bill to...

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[NALs]

Originally Posted by Ricardo900

In actuality, civilians follow and obey the Law, it doesn't matter who is enforcing it, whether it be a Cop, Meter-Maid, or Crossing Guard

Civilians follow and obey the law because there are enforcer who will enforce such law on behalf of the state.

I will quote Prof. Mora from UConn. One comment he made a few years ago was this: "What makes you stop when you see a stop sign? Is it the sign itself that has the authority to make you obey it? Is it the police who enforce such law?

What makes you stop is the fact that the state apparatus has enforcers who will make sure you do stop at a stop sign. If enforcement was minimal or none existent, an entire culture of disobeying laws develops and under such circumstances, a stop sign become little else than a simple decoration on a street corner."

Originally Posted by Ricardo900

and if I called the authorities and tell them that my neighbor's music is too loud, they will follow my request and confront the neighbor, so who's obeying who?

Between your neighbor and the police officer, the neighbor will be subject to the police officer.

Between you and the police officer, the police officer will be subject to your right of peace and quiet on your private property. However, the police officer is simply following his duty as a cop, which is to "serve and protect the public".

Originally Posted by Ricardo900

Teacher or Student? Well, you can look at it as the teacher being employed by the student to teach, via tuition. Without the student paying his tuituion, the teacher will be unemployed.

So the student controls the classroom?

Who imposes the rules of conduct in the classroom, the teacher or his students?

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[Ricardo900]

Originally Posted by NALs

Civilians follow and obey the law because there are enforcer who will enforce such law on behalf of the state.

I will quote Prof. Mora from UConn. One comment he made a few years ago was this: "What makes you stop when you see a stop sign? Is it the sign itself that has the authority to make you obey it? Is it the police who enforce such law?

What makes you stop is the fact that the state apparatus has enforcers who will make sure you do stop at a stop sign. If enforcement was minimal or none existent, an entire culture of disobeying laws develops and under such circumstances, a stop sign become little else than a simple decoration on a street corner."


Between your neighbor and the police officer, the neighbor will be subject to the police officer.

Between you and the police officer, the police officer will be subject to your right of peace and quiet on your private property. However, the police officer is simply following his duty as a cop, which is to "serve and protect the public".


So the student controls the classroom?

Who imposes the rules of conduct in the classroom, the teacher or his students?

-NALs

The Meter-Maid, Cop, and Crossing Guards are all enforcers of the law that civilians have created to keep things in order, therefore civilians hire and order the police to enforce the law. The cop is no more of an enforcer than the FBI agent, DEA agent, Security Guard, or Meter-Maid, just different laws they enforce, and since they are subjected to the same type of enforcement, technically they have no more rights than the average civilian.

Of course the rules in the classroom are enforced solely by the teacher and administration. But I may add that the teacher follows a curriculum that must be satisfactory to the student and the fact that payment of tuition gives the student body the ability to remove an educator or to make significant change.

This whole thing goes around in circles. Now the King and his subjects would be a perfect example.

[NALs]

Originally Posted by Ricardo900

The Meter-Maid, Cop, and Crossing Guards are all enforcers of the law that civilians have created to keep things in order, therefore civilians hire and order the police to enforce the law. The cop is no more of an enforcer than the FBI agent, DEA agent, Security Guard, or Meter-Maid, just different laws they enforce, and since they are subjected to the same type of enforcement, technically they have no more rights than the average civilian.

Of course the rules in the classroom are enforced solely by the teacher and administration. But I may add that the teacher follows a curriculum that must be satisfactory to the student and the fact that payment of tuition gives the student body the ability to remove an educator or to make significant change.

This whole thing goes around in circles. Now the King and his subjects would be a perfect example.

Good point.

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[Motorcycler]

I have been following this thread for a few days and its comical and rather filantropic posts on status, power and influence. I must say it is a good way to "ajitar el avispero" as evidenced by the prolific posts. So I guess that I'll add a little humor and put in my two bits.

Near my house are two cemetaries. One where all the literate, well to do, statesmen "proceres" type are buried the other is just the municipal one where everyone else that doesn't have power, prestige and pull go. Those interred in either one of these sacred grounds don't seem to mind what they were, who they were, even where they came to rest. In both places it rains, shines and the days go by. No one there seems to care about the things this poll is hashing.

I guess the literal message from the grave is that...who cares how rich, "educated" and powerful you might be. Coming into the golden years I find that life is much too short and it goes by so very fast. Time is of the essence. In the end even the pharaohs never got to enjoy these fruits in the after life. However another message from the grave I see is that the real education, power and prestige comes upon those who inhabit earth in serving others, in loving your "projimo", in being of value to those who are in need. These things are quite invaluable.

* - College Education - $300,000 and climbing
* - A Snazzy Italian Sporstcar - $400,000
* - A Home in Altos de Chavon - $1,000,000
* - Helping those around you needing a better life - PRICELESS!

[Lambada]

Originally Posted by Motorcycler

In both places it rains, shines and the days go by. No one there seems to care about the things this poll is hashing.

And I'm sure most people here don't either . But when you see things like 'The worst thing anyone could do is ignore a police officers orders, especially when he is wearing his uniform. The action of such police officer will clearly say: how dare anyone disobey a police officer in uniform' you think back (if you're one of the older ones ) to the sort of mentality which allowed horrendous things to happen in the world all because people were brainwashed to believe they had to obey a uniform.................. I would have hoped the younger generation would have moved on.

And if you live in the DR Nals, the first thing you have to work out is whether the person wearing the uniform is actually entitled to. I don't think any of us would automatically assume that a body in a military or police uniform really was a soldier or police officer unless there was additional evidence that they really were......................

[bdaric]

probably a gun would do the trick....