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View Poll Results: Are DR1ers paranoid?
Yes 56 57.14%
No 42 42.86%
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  #11  
Old 12-16-2008, 10:39 PM
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Default Sorry to hear that

Many years in the DR...NEVER robbed (knock on wood)

When/where did this happen?
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:31 AM
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When an Eastern Europe friend of mine recently bought a villa in a gated community in Sosua his RE agent told him - "When you catch a dominican man in your home at night - kill him, bury in back yard and plant tomatoes - tomatoes grow very well on dead bodies". My friend thought that it was a nice joke.

After two months later he and his family became victims of robbery at gun point in their home (in gated community) he does not think any longer that it was a joke.

Is he to be called paranoid trying to sell his house now and to get out of the country where such thing as physical personal safety and security does not exist ?

Or can be called paranoid a nice Italian lady from California who also tries to sell her house in La Mulata that she bought four months ago and to leave with her son after her sister was robbered just three weeks into being in this country and left home?

Coming from places like Ecuador or Columbia - surviving in DR is piece of cake. But naive and street unsmart overgrown american baby boomers are a different story. Who decided to relocate to this country and to buy condo after two stays at an AI sunkie resort.

DR.1 posters are not paranoid. They know the real game (mostly on own painful experience). That`s it.
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:38 AM
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When an Eastern Europe friend of mine recently bought a villa in a gated community in Sosua his RE agent told him - "When you catch a dominican man in your home at night - kill him, bury in back yard and plant tomatoes - tomatoes grow very well on dead bodies". My friend thought that it was a nice joke.

After two months later he and his family became victims of robbery at gun point in their home (in gated community) he does not think any longer that it was a joke.

Is he to be called paranoid trying to sell his house now and to get out of the country where such thing as physical personal safety and security does not exist ?

Or can be called paranoid a nice Italian lady from California who also tries to sell her house in La Mulata that she bought four months ago and to leave with her son after her sister was robbered just three weeks into being in this country and left home?

Coming from places like Ecuador or Columbia - surviving in DR is piece of cake. But naive and street unsmart overgrown american baby boomers are a different story. Who decided to relocate to this country and to buy condo after two stays at an AI sunkie resort.

DR.1 posters are not paranoid. They know the real game (mostly on own painful experience). That`s it.
That's the way I have learned the real game too. My house has been sold fast and at my price,thanks god. Almost 5 years later I still fill the psycological pain though

Last edited by La Mariposa; 12-18-2008 at 12:47 AM.. Reason: though
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:58 AM
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Red face Well, the people living in Puerto Plata gated communities are not normal... read on.

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When an Eastern Europe friend of mine recently bought a villa in a gated community in Sosua his RE agent told him - "When you catch a dominican man in your home at night - kill him, bury in back yard and plant tomatoes - tomatoes grow very well on dead bodies". My friend thought that it was a nice joke.

After two months later he and his family became victims of robbery at gun point in their home (in gated community) he does not think any longer that it was a joke.

Is he to be called paranoid trying to sell his house now and to get out of the country where such thing as physical personal safety and security does not exist ?

Or can be called paranoid a nice Italian lady from California who also tries to sell her house in La Mulata that she bought four months ago and to leave with her son after her sister was robbered just three weeks into being in this country and left home?

Coming from places like Ecuador or Columbia - surviving in DR is piece of cake. But naive and street unsmart overgrown american baby boomers are a different story. Who decided to relocate to this country and to buy condo after two stays at an AI sunkie resort.

DR.1 posters are not paranoid. They know the real game (mostly on own painful experience). That`s it.
Its also well known that many of the people living in those gated communities in Puerto Plata, many filled with foreigners to a degree most gated communities in other provinces are not, also have little concept of social class and how a person is suppose to act with people from other classes.

Many of these people move from Europe or North America thinking they are still in their respective countries where they are surrounded by people of their own social class, most of the time. We also know what many of them do for "fun". Some take it a little further, inviting some of the poorest and least moral people to decent gated neighborhoods, and then everyone wonders why a rash of robberies follows.

(Sidenote: I'm not saying poor people don't have morals, but there are poor people without morals and those are being invited along with the others to places of luxury they are not used to, read on).

Most people seem to not make the connection between violating social class rules, but many are paying the price.

You don't hear of such things occuring with such frequencies in places like Bayardo, which is an upscale neighborhood right next to "downtown" Puerto Plata. Why?

A) Its filled with Dominicans

and

B) the few foreigners that live there take the necessary precautions to not invite dirt poor and moral-lacking people like courtesans or tigueres for a "picnic".

Do you know that many Dominicans are very weary when someone new moves into a nice neighborhood? Do you know why?

If its a chopo or a foreigner, they pray to God such person limits his/her contact with the riff raff.

Why?

Because when chopos or foreigners with little concept of social class move in, they invite people that are not used to those settings and then, everyone and their mother is robbed in the entire neighborhood during the following months. This happens in apartment buildings too.

Look at the Puerto Plata gated communities. Those have to be some of the most unsafe gated communities on the island and its directly related to the naive attitude of many of the foreigners that live there regarding the reality of social class.

You can't pretend that everyone you meet, especially if its someone you "paid to have fun", is not going to be extremely impressed with your higher than normal lifestyle.

This goes along with the sankie ordeals and the so gringo typical "I fell in love with a dirt poor courtesan and now I'm taking care of her family and feel being taken advantaged" crowd.

-NALs

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Old 12-18-2008, 01:20 AM
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Aren't you being a little PARANOID () in this post NALs? (just to keep this 'On Topic'!)
I do SO agree with you about Bayardo though, the guards are requested to keep 90% of DR1ers from entering the area. Photos from the DR1 gallery have been CIRCULATED!! ~ Grahame
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Old 12-18-2008, 02:34 AM
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You don't hear of such things occuring with such frequencies in places like Bayardo, which is an upscale neighborhood right next to "downtown" Puerto Plata.
I live in Bayardo Nals. Just in the interests of accuracy we're at the other end of town from 'downtown' Puerto Plata. Not even walking distance - when I go to downtown PP I drive.


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Look at the Puerto Plata gated communities. Those have to be some of the most unsafe gated communities on the island and its directly related to the naive attitude of many of the foreigners that live there regarding the reality of social class.
Again, in the interests of accuracy Nals, you're referring to gated communities in Sosua I believe (or maybe even Cabarete?). As far as Puerto Plata town is concerned there are very few gated communities - Bayardo is about to become one, Torre Alta is not gated, I believe. Plus of course far fewer foreigners live in PP than Sosua.
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:48 AM
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NALs may have a little of his geography skewed, but the essence of his post is sound.

I am thankful that Alida's family here in Jarabacoa has advised us wisely on security...and "who" should be befriended, "who" is of questionable character, and "how" to secure your home.

The best anology I can make about moving to the DR for the average European/Canadian/American would be that it's like moving to a recently regentrified neighborhood in a large, Urban city. YOUR neighborhood may contain fine, honest, upstanding folks, but 100 yards away...an entirely different story. Secure your property for that other barrio, not your specific neighborhood.
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Old 12-19-2008, 12:28 AM
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NALs may have a little of his geography skewed, but the essence of his post is sound.
Bayardo is a little over 1 kilometers (barely 1 mile) away from the center of town.

-NALs
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Old 12-19-2008, 12:55 AM
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Is the same as the deliveries boys from colmados, some people like them to enter into the kitchen to deliver the heavy 5 gallon bottled water, without knowing that in the process those guys are checking the entire house to send their panas to wipe out the entire house.

I always say the delivery boy to leave the water in the front door and I take it from there.
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Old 12-21-2008, 10:54 PM
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Default Reason for what we decided to move to the US.

I was afraid to be attacked on the mountain roads, as my business in the DR was Tourist Cab. Driver and almost every day I had late pm. or early am. airport Pickups (those 731-1:45 am & 733 – 2:45 am. JB flights ) I was driving all nights from STI to the north coast and some time in my way back home driving alone I got so sleepy that I needed to stop in a gas station and pour water over my head to keep me awake. I remember one night on my way back to Santiago 3:30 am driving through Carretera Turistica a pickup truck was parked in the side of the road and when I passed by they started to follow me and tried to pass me but I blocked them all time until we got to the other side of the mountain then I stopped my van in the first gas station located at Gurabo Santiago. I had a lot situation during the rainy season when the roads were flooding every where one night I had to backup half way STI / POP couse the road washed out, I saw many people killed by car and motorcycles accident in the roads specially on Fridays and Saturday night.

No todo es color de rosas.

JJ.
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