Sankies and Race....

[Exxtol]

Originally Posted by paradise07

I feel that there is a MUCH higher chance that they are "genuine" and not be sankies when dealing with their own race...ie. Other people from the Caribbean or other Blacks and Latinos...Just a thought....

It has nothing to do w/ race though. Poorer dominicans (and even some middle-class ones) are under the impression that foreigners are typically blond, blue-eyed and rubio; thus, typically black-americans, latinos, etc, are initially assumed to be dominican, as opposed to whites who are typically viewed as turistas and potential targets. One example, a black-american with a t-shirt and shorts is not viewed as a tourist but as a lower-class dominican or tiguere--a white-american w/the same attire is a tourist--plain and simple. Once, the sankie/sankiette discovers you are a foreigner with money ( regardless of skin color).........you're fair game.

[shadInToronto]

Originally Posted by pkaide1

He is a Sankie at a whole different level ... the greatest sankie ever.

At that level, they're called Playboys .... like working girls on the street are called hos while the ones for the rich are called escorts, same job just different clientele.

[mountainfrog]

Originally Posted by paradise07

Black Americans are not anywhere the same as people from the Caribbean or the West Indies...MUY DIFERENTE !!!

So be it.
Not a problem for a professionell sankie, however.
He'd have a custom made approach for YOU.

No matter where you come from, what language you speak, whether you're a white whale (weight above 14 stones) or a black beauty with a two-cipher IQ ...

m'frog

[corsair74]

Originally Posted by Chirimoya

You might think that, but most Dominicans don't. They will have more shared points of reference with someone from another Spanish-speaking country, but even so. You only have to hear the way some black Dominicans refer to American blacks to realise that they do not see themselves as members of the same race.

Ha! Sad, but true. But hey. If you think that's something, you should hear some of the things I've heard them say about caucasians. My point is, as someone said earlier, either you're dominican or you're not in their eyes.

Paradise:

As an Afro-American male, who speaks spanish well enough to have often been confused for dominican on many occasions, I've experienced the aforementioned doctrine too many times to count.

For example, let me tell you what happened on my last trip to Santiago. I was at a restaurant with a friend when I decided to introduce myself to a beautiful young lady sitting at another table. Five minutes into the conversation, and listening to my spanish, she asked me " so, you are not dominican?" That's when things changed. She was still friendly. In fact, she became even more engaging, asking about my age, marital status, occupation, etc. We exchanged numbers and started seeing each other shortly after.

To make a long story short, after about two intense (and very pleasurable) weeks, I had to let her go because she became convinced that i was rich and had money to burn. Even though the only money I spent was taking her to dinner and dancing, she was positive that I was withholding a lot more. And she decided that it was time to start shelling it out. Now this was not a "working girl." This was just a regular dominican girl who worked in a salon during the day and took evening classes at one of the universities. It's just that anyone , black or white, who has the money and leisure time to vacation in another country, is considered very wealthy by the average dominican.

I'm not telling you this to discourage you from spending time with your new friend. By all means have at it. I, along with the other members on this board, are just trying to disabuse you of any false notions of solidarity that you may feel towards this gentleman. You are still a gringo in his eyes. And a wealthy one at that.

One of the brothers who travels to the DR on occasion is Jamaican. And his experience there has been no different than my own.

Just knowing the game can be the difference in having a good time, and hurt feelings and lighter pockets.

Nos vemos despues.

Vince.

[corsair74]

Originally Posted by Chirimoya

You might think that, but most Dominicans don't. They will have more shared points of reference with someone from another Spanish-speaking country, but even so. You only have to hear the way some black Dominicans refer to American blacks to realise that they do not see themselves as members of the same race.

Ha! Sad, but true. But hey. If you think that's something, you should hear some of the things I've heard them say about caucasians. My point is, as someone said earlier, either you're dominican or you're not in their eyes.

Paradise:

As an Afro-American male, who speaks spanish well enough to have often been confused for dominican on many occasions, I've experienced the aforementioned doctrine too many times to count.

For example, let me tell you what happened on my last trip to Santiago. I was at a restaurant with a friend when I decided to introduce myself to a beautiful young lady sitting at another table. Five minutes into the conversation, and after listening to my spanish, she asked me " so, you are not dominican?" That's when things changed. She was still friendly. In fact, she became even more engaging, asking about my age, marital status, occupation, etc. We exchanged numbers and started seeing each other shortly after.

To make a long story short, after about two intense (and very pleasurable) weeks, I had to let her go because she became convinced that i was rich and had money to burn. Even though the only money I spent was taking her to dinner and dancing, she was positive that I was withholding a lot more. And she decided that it was time to start shelling it out. Now this was not a "working girl." This was just a regular dominican girl who worked in a salon during the day and took evening classes at one of the universities. It's just that anyone , black or white, who has the money and leisure time to vacation in another country, is considered very wealthy by the average dominican.

I'm not telling you this to discourage you from spending time with your new friend. By all means have at it. I, along with the other members on this board, are just trying to disabuse you of any false notions of solidarity that you may feel towards this gentleman. You are still a gringo in his eyes. And a wealthy one at that.

One of the brothers who travels with me to the DR on occasion is Jamaican. He tells me that his experience there has been no different than my own.

Just knowing the game can be the difference in having a good time, and leaving with hurt feelings and lighter pockets.

Nos vemos despues.

Vince.

[suitelady79]

Who knew that there were so many people of African descent on this board. For a while, I thought I was the only one. I personally can attest to the fact that I don't think dominicans feel any solidarity towards me when I'm there. I'm in total agreement with the Dominican vs. non Dominican theory.

I am curious how black dominicans refer to black americans Chirimoya...maybe we should PM for this one because I don't want to start any type of racial explosion on the board but that comment definitely piqued my interest.

[Kyle]

oh yes suitelady, there are many of us but we try to remain "neutral" when it comes to the threads.

me, i'm hated by dominican men and loved by dominican women because i spend and make sure i always have a good time with the women. i am always polite and can speak decent spanish so i don't need the men except for a concho ride. to them i'm probably "americano negra idiota"...

[pkaide1]

Originally Posted by Kyle

oh yes suitelady, there are many of us but we try to remain "neutral" when it comes to the threads.

me, i'm hated by dominican men and loved by dominican women because i spend and make sure i always have a good time with the women. i am always polite and can speak decent spanish so i don't need the men except for a concho ride. to them i'm probably "americano negra idiota"...

There is not such a thing as a black Dominican in Dominican Republic, compare to what black is in the US. In the US black is like a life style; in The Dominican Republic, it is just a skin complexion. It is a big different. The main color in the Dominican Republic is green. You have money or you do not.

[Chip00]

Originally Posted by suitelady79

Who knew that there were so many people of African descent on this board. For a while, I thought I was the only one. I personally can attest to the fact that I don't think dominicans feel any solidarity towards me when I'm there. I'm in total agreement with the Dominican vs. non Dominican theory.

I am curious how black dominicans refer to black americans Chirimoya...maybe we should PM for this one because I don't want to start any type of racial explosion on the board but that comment definitely piqued my interest.

Fromk what I have heard among the Dominicans here (btw many in my wifes family are very "oscuro") say about the black people in the US is that they are simply "negros" or "morenos" depending on their color of course. Many Dominicans are not cognizant of the "overawareness" of race in the US.

[suitelady79]

Originally Posted by Chip00

Fromk what I have heard among the Dominicans here (btw many in my wifes family are very "oscuro") say about the black people in the US is that they are simply "negros" or "morenos" depending on their color of course. Many Dominicans are not cognizant of the "overawareness" of race in the US.

Oh is that all? I was under the impression that they were calling us bad things. To be called negra or morena is not so bad. Now I must say, at first when I first was called negra, I wanted to rip someones head off because of what I thought it meant or what I thought they were trying to say...but then I was told that it was just a term of endearment over there and that they don't mean anything by it...so I got over it. I still have a few reservations about this term of endearment because I don't like being called or recognized by the color of my skin particularly, but it's part of the culture there, so I'm pretty much over it.

Kyle, I tried to "neutralize" my true identity but I'm sure sometimes it comes out by some of the posts that I have replied on and such, but I must say, I had no clue..you keep secrets very well.

So enough from me about race. Guess we better tie this back into the topic of sankies and race now.