Women who fall for Sankies

[Richard Alberto]

Hey Rocky, before you called someone a fool I used to read you replies with great admiration for your intellect and openess. One can only imagine that your point of view is the only one that exists and that your experiences are the only ones that validate this forum.
We have experiences, I've been around the block a couple of times myself. Know what? Life has taught me that generalizations are cursed. To defend all women that have had their dreams broken should be victims is ludicrous.
And to call someone a fool for having an intelligent rebuttal to an open forum is unbecoming. We have filled this thread with examples and questions but those are conviniently turned a blind eye to. I know because I know of a 50 year old woman that has her little boyfriend in DR. I guess that doesn't count in your book, it's a mirage right? Let's be real real honest here. We are all grown ups, who all know the real deal if we admit it, you included.

[Rocky]

Originally Posted by Richard Alberto

Hey Rocky, before you called someone a fool I used to read you replies with great admiration for your intellect and openess. One can only imagine that your point of view is the only one that exists and that your experiences are the only ones that validate this forum.
We have experiences, I've been around the block a couple of times myself. Know what? Life has taught me that generalizations are cursed. To defend all women that have had their dreams broken should be victims is ludicrous.
And to call someone a fool for having an intelligent rebuttal to an open forum is unbecoming. We have filled this thread with examples and questions but those are conviniently turned a blind eye to. I know because I know of a 50 year old woman that has her little boyfriend in DR. I guess that doesn't count in your book, it's a mirage right? Let's be real real honest here. We are all grown ups, who all know the real deal if we admit it, you included.

I presume that you felt I was calling you a fool?
I don't think that I pointed the finger your way, but you know best.
I could care less if someone used to think that I was kool and now thinks that I'm an azzhole, if what I am doing is righteous.
I will stand up and defend the victims of crimes, with my dying breath.
Anyone who hates me for it, disrespects me, thinks I am a fool or whatever, can just go right ahead.
I don't care.
I've lived this way for a long long time and it's the way I want to live, and I have no intention of changing.
For those who are supportive of helping out victims and helping to bust perpetrators of crime, welcome aboard.
We may not change the world, but we will sure as heck make a difference.

PS: I agree with this statement,

And to call someone a fool for having an intelligent rebuttal to an open forum is unbecoming

And I have not done so.
There have been some less than intelligent rebuttals made by people of no knowledge or experience, that would definitely classify them as fools and/or of low moral fabric..

[Janin]

Originally Posted by Rocky

...Show me a person who has lived in or near a DR tourism town for 10+ years and agrees with the nay sayers who think that sankies, "aren't all that bad".

No, thank you.

Janin

[Richard Alberto]

We're digressing. I realy hope that you defend the guys that fall in "love" and get taken for a sucker " ....with your dying breath " as well. Like I said no double standards.
Also, if you knew my female friend, you know, the one I mentioned with her little boyfriend in DR and had a conversation with her, she'll make you blush and I don't care how many times around the block you've been. She's a REAL tigera. By the way she's an executive administrator: go figure.

[Sholly24]

Originally Posted by Rocky

....... correct and only a con artist or someone of the lowest morals and ethics would ever dream of trying to justify the crime, because (supposedly) the victims are big suckers, fools, idiots, dreamers, easy to con, susceptible, emotionally young, etc.

I think that some of us are talking apples while others are talking oranges. No one is justifying the act of a sankie. All we are saying is that these relationships are obviously unrealistic right from the onset and of course, they have to share some blame for the consequences of their actions.

If you were told to date someone of a social class that was closer to your class, would that be a bad advice?.

If someone was dating a man and had to pay for the man's expenses all the time, would it be wrong to say that all you have bought is a toy?. Do they pay for the expenses of their male dates in NA?

When a woman is dating a man that is much younger than she is, are there any other factors that need to be considered?

Would it be right to advise someone to use the same commonsense that they use in their country?

If you go to sleep with your doors open and a thief comes into your house and steals from you, would it be inappropriate to say that you share some blame for leaving your door open?. Would that mean that I support robbery?.

If a bank offered to pay you 100% interest rate on your deposit after a month, would you put your money there? If you put your money there and lost it and I accused you of having unrealistic expectations and that you should share some of the blame for being greedy, would that mean I support a scammer?.

No one is justifying scamming here. All we are doing is looking at the fundamentals of these relationships and saying that these women are also unrealistic and should share some blame.

Sholly

[Richard Alberto]

Intelligent rebuttal, I would say so.

[Richard Alberto]

and no men don't post here how many times they get taken for a ride there because they may be called suckers. go figure.

[sollie]

Originally Posted by Sholly24

What is deception and how do we define it?. How realistic is it for a supposedly attractive, in good shape women with good careers in North America to meet an animation worker in the DR who does not have much of an education and is earning a pittance as salary and decide that the relationship can lead to something meaningful and that they can have a great life together?. WTF is that?. Are you looking to support someone all your life or do you look for someone who can support themselves?. What exactly are these women looking for?

My other question is ' Are the sankies deceiving these women or are these women also deceiving themselves' ?. We are not talking of teenagers here. We are talking of mature women who are supposed to be able to rationally think things through and make the best decision for themselves. In reality things like money, status, education, employment opportunities may not be the most important things in a relationship but they need to be carefully considered before making decisions.

How many attractive, in good shape women with good careers in North America will even think of going out with a fellow North American man who does not come close to them in most of these qualities not to talk of marrying that individual?. Why go to the DR and do the opposite and still expect a good result?. I have seen some of these women in the clubs with their so-called novios and any person with half an eye can see that these women seem to have bought a toy that they can play with and it is all fun.

You can have a skunk as a pet and enjoy playing with it but sooner or later, it will pee all over you and you will have to clean up the mess.

Sholly

... and you wake up with fleas. Sholly, your points are well taken.


I'm curious though; how does your "under 30 translation dictionary" define deception? How does it define " motive", "false pretense" or "predatory".What about " frontin'", as in, " Who says they ain't no future in yo' front!"? I suspect it's missing, but while you're at it, please look up " moral relativism". Not to get all over 30 on you or anything.

You talk a good game but in final analysis, as it stands right now and as a person, I suspect Bijous' balls are bigger. She denied being a victim, in a public forum; went against the grain so to speak, and I believe that's admirable.

There was some good points raised about personal responsibility relative to the stung.But exactly what is a sankies, or for that matter, a players' responsibility in the matters discussed? What was that definition of "motive" again?

Sollie

[Janin]

Originally Posted by Sholly24

I think that some of us are talking apples...

To me it rather seems casting pearls before hypocrites.

Janin

[Rocky]

Originally Posted by Sholly24

All we are doing is looking at the fundamentals of these relationships and saying that these women are also unrealistic and should share some blame.

Sholly

Oh yeah, I know what you mean.
Like the girl who dresses up sexy shares part of the blame for getting raped.
I know the mentality.
Not one I like and I don't share that view.