New Juan Dolio Progress

[Dre Broeders]

Originally Posted by DrChrisHE

IMNSHO what it would take in most places (to deal with these potholes proactively) is a big fat law suit for someone breaking their leg,

Hello. This is banana-country.
It is not USA.
LAW-SUIT in banana-country
Hahhaahahahhihihiohohohohohahahahahaha

[johne]

Originally Posted by Dre Broeders

Hello. This is banana-country.
It is not USA.
LAW-SUIT in banana-country
Hahhaahahahhihihiohohohohohahahahahaha

Even in the U.S. this is almost impossible to do. For example in order to sue the City OF New York over something like this you must FIRST identify the pot-hole or danger PRIOR to you getting hurt there. It's call the trip and fall law. Prevents people suing the city everyday of the week. Given that-what do you think the chances are suing in Juan Dolio?

Now, as far as correcting the problem (in comparsion to the U.S.)-Here the Dept. of Buildings would place a STOP ORDER violation against the project if a danger existed or the builder was not in compliance with the plans, issued permit, or the law. The fines , without correcting the violations are $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
To the best of my knowledge-the DR does not have enforceable laws such as this.
john

[johne]

My last post should have been tied to DR.C comments about a law suit.
Sorry

[DrChrisHE]

John:

Originally Posted by johne

My last post should have been tied to DR.C comments about a law suit.
Sorry

Not that I think law suits are a way to legislate, but my statement was made out of the frustration of those of us who have tried to reason with those who have control over these conditions.

No, I don't think a law suit is the best way or necessarily practical HOWEVER, I grew up in NY when people DID win law suits against the city (Geez I'm old)...and I did my undergrad, grad, post -doc work in CA where lawsuits rule. I've even known people HERE who have been sued and the plaintiff has won.

What I AM saying is that I would bet that if a developer was hit with the bad publicity of a law suit (whether it is TRUE OR NOT) for say a child losing an eye or someone dying or a pregnant woman falling on her face and miscarrying, I think they'd think twice...as sad as it is! With the number of video cameras and photo cell phones around, it wouldn't be unheard of for bystanders to have captured this. People use the media here just like they do in the US. Yes, there are people who abuse law suits. But then again, there are developers who abuse the communities that they are strip mining--oh, did I say that out loud? Sorry I mean "Improving" ... whatever one's interpretation of that is.

From my perspective, the RIGHT thing is for those ruining the roads to make them usable NOW and do whatever it takes to maintain them through their construction--HOWEVER impractical...and then make them look like their artists renditions.

Now, ask me if I EXPECT ANY OF THIS TO HAPPEN? No, I don't because I don't think the people who are building really CARE that much! Sorry, but it's what I've seen from their actions.

[johne]

I was in JD 2 weeks ago and saw first hand the construction that I have read about on this board for the past 6 months. I walked the streets and saw the danger that exists . Heck, while carrying 6 liters of bottled water that I was going to take back to The Embassy Suites from The Metro I felt like I was in Bagdad.

But--I don't see the solution. Think about any development area you have ever seen and try and recall what the access roads to the project looked like. Well, I don't need to tell you that the last thing done is the blacktopping of the roads. I have no agenda here as you might have figured out on your own-and I don't see a short term solution that is viable. Sorry. .
john

[Matilda]

The problem in Juan Dolio is that the access roads for the construction are the main road that everyone uses - the Malecon or Boulevard as it is called here. We who live in the town are so used to the construction now - the dust (which is horrendous) the noise (which is also horrendous and sometimes 24 hours a day) the construction workers who are limpetted (is that a word?)to all of the walls of the villas here, that we just get on with it. One day all will be fine, but the construction is increasing on a daily basis. It is now moving back from the ocean into the woods behind, and getting worse , not better. But as NALs would say it is no use complaining about it - just get on with it. No one is going to fix the roads, no one is going to pay for medical bills for all of the chest and eye infections from the dust. Yes it is like Beirut - but the sun is still shining!!!

Matilda

[mikey007]

the roads wont be fixed because there is no planning with the govt or the surrounding community no one is taking responsibility they say the roads willbe repaired when the construction ends well wake up and smell the coffee people. theoritically will construction ever end ? absolutely not there is no timetable or deadline to address the road condition and that is a complete disgrace with no accountability

[jruane44]

Originally Posted by mikey007

the roads wont be fixed because there is no planning with the govt or the surrounding community no one is taking responsibility they say the roads willbe repaired when the construction ends well wake up and smell the coffee people. theoritically will construction ever end ? absolutely not there is no timetable or deadline to address the road condition and that is a complete disgrace with no accountability

I agree. I also believe when most of the projects get done another one will start. Then what will be said is that the road will be done after that project is completed. Then another project will start and they will say that the road will be repaired after that project is completed. Then another project will start and they will say that the road will be repaired after that project is completed. Then another project will start and they will say that the road will be repaired after that project is completed.

[mikey007]

The cycle of potholes clearly explained but i hope the likes of steve g are taking pictures of these craters

[49erman]

Originally Posted by DrChrisHE

IMNSHO what it would take in most places (to deal with these potholes proactively) is a big fat law suit for someone breaking their leg, neck or blowing out their axle and killing a pedestrian. It could easily happen. I've seen many twisted ankles and pulled rocks out of a toddler's head who fell in one this weekend (stones embedded into the skull--the parents didn't have the $ for tourist doc in JD and brought her to visitors' day at the orphanage.) I was very disturbed that this kid had to wait to have rock extraction done. Fortunately she'll be fine but if those who witnessed it had just even poured iodine on it and patched it with a bandaid she'd have a major scar and probably an infection--which in that area can get especially nasty.

The thing with WAITING till "most" of the construction is done is that 10 years from now we will still be waiting and the roads will be worse. Has anyone looked at how much property there is still there to develop? There will ALWAYS be more construction. This is NOT acceptable...not for some place promoting itself as the next SoBe! Come on--do the right thing...pave now and then AGAIN after your trucks ruin the road for building the luxuriously priced luxury condos. This are classic free rider and negative externalities issues from university econ classes.

I am sorry- "rock extraction from baby's skull from falling into a filled pothole? Were you smoking crack when you wrote this?