Anglicismos?

[Tordok]

I'm not the academic in this area, but the whole subject seems to relate back to Lesley's "magistral" explanations about sociolinguistics. This one is yet another example of how intriguing these language topics can be. We all have usage preferences formed by our cultural experience and level of intellectual curiosity into language esoterica. We tend to form expectations but often forget the rules.

We all know that languages rarely go unchanged over long periods of historical times. Around the world, like people, some languages are under surveillance, others have arthiritis, others thrive and get fat, other end in suicide and others get castrated. So, we create official protective devices for them. Rules. Necessary but often arcane and inconsistent. Language is there to maintain its original mandate, which is to serve as a tool for humans in order to optimize social interactions. In order to do that, it must reflect whether each individual word or idiom remains relevant to current users. RAE is slower than reality, so sometimes it does take a while for them to become inclusive and hip. But hopefully, they do keep track of things.

We should remember that on each day, on any given interval, there are substractions and additions to the language. Actually, to the languages. Language can be like humans. Verbal units are born all the time. Others come into action later in life with bad or good habits. Like us, some seem fair or tolerable, others seem sinister or even blasphemous.

But not everyone is allowed by nature to survive. Currency is subjective. In Life, we all perish or fluorish during different times of our short natural spans.
Likewise some words have the long, majestic ancestries that slowly but usefully evolved. Most fade away, old and tired. Many, die lonely. Others remain alive in other forms or in other languages as vigorously as when they first peaked. There are words that are castaways and roamers, other zombies that came back to life after a dormant period. Many are combinations that if separated again may lose their relevance. Some words come out like orphan rockets, poppin' up from the spontaneous combustion of our many cultures.

With globalization's expansion, all languages will mingle, and you know the rest...I would suspect that if humankind gives itself enough time instead of self-anihilation, that there will be an eventual global language that is indeed a mix of everything left behind. It's both weird/eery and cool/exciting to think of a world where language is no excuse to avoid communication. In the meantime, some of us do have fun trying to have these helpful discussions.

- Tordok

[NALs]

Here is an interesting article regarding anglicism and its acceptance into the Spanish language.

Sorry, the link is only in español.

http://www.perspectivaciudadana.com/...bId=60&mid=219

-NAL

[Bok]

Deep murky waters full of anglicismos here. No need to explain where the "inspiration" comes from.
I'll just leave one example.

Homerun becomes 'jonron'
However ESPN-reporter Ernesto (something), who I believe is Dominican, is rocksolid and always uses 'quadrangular'.

[Don Juan]

Tordok, you have syntax, & a ye ne sais pas manner of diction that reads with fluency & logic....But I can't agree with you that eventually, " all languages will mingle" and become one. As we all know,the premier language of our time is English and it will continue to be so until a new version of it or some sort of melange of many others proves to be the most practical or functional for most. But it won't involve all languages. just the most prominent western European languages. all others will die including Russian and Chinese.
Humanity continues to evolve & with it, a need to communicate in the most literate & direct sense thus, irrevocably, revolutionizing in perhaps a very
radical way, our parlance.
The English language, as it is spoken today, may be as incomprehensible in a hundred years' time as it was five hundred years before.
To make sense of changes in jargon incorporated by necessity or simple alteration, languages have to borrow terminology from one another and because technology is a huge generator of these and needs to be digested in its simplest form, is, and will continue to be the virus that will kill the tongues that won't conform.
Adapt or perish.

[monsoon68]

Originally Posted by Tordok

Hi Chiri,
I specifically entered the whole phrase "exhibición de arte" in Google and it came back with about 14,800 results. So it is not unusual.

I also did find the following expalanation, which you -and the rest of us confused souls- are looking for:

http://emiliomartinez.galeon.com/expoexhi.htm

It sort of makes sense to me, but what do DR1 folks think?

- Tordok

"Exposición" is used for a show of artistics and non-artistics items. This is why we have "Palacio de Congresos y Exposiciones" and if you check the major museums --at least in Spain--, museums have "exposiciones".
"Exhibición" is has to do with the action of "exhibir". Then, we have "exhibión de técnicas de vuelo" or any skill or demostration.
Just to remember, you can relate "exposición" to something "static" and "exhibición" to "action".
However, if you do a search in the internet, most latinoamerican countries use "exhibición" for art and non-art, while in Spain, we always say "exposición".

[Lesley D]

After reading the last few posts I just wanted to briefly comment on the direction that Spanish and other languages may be headed. Current linguistic research of the Spanish language today shows that English is the third most spoken language (second according to certain statistics it alternates with Spanish) and still is the most widely spoken lingua franca (a language spoken by those whose first language is not English).Traditionally English is defined as the language of 'business' and will continue to dominate for years to come. For those who are interested I will leave it up to you to research. There are many good linguistics textbooks and resources on this subject matter. However, to give you an example of some of the conformity being forced upon the Spanish language but is still being resisted is the usage of capitalization rules (which I recently find myself having to review because I use more than one language daily and when I am not careful I do err). Currently, there are two dynamics at play formal vs. non-formal written Spanish. Once again the Internet has contributed to the slow destruction and 'attempted' conformity and as a result Spanish capitalization rules are not respected. Again the RAE and its sister governing bodies will decide if any changes will be made but to date Spanish capitalization rules remain as they have been established centuries ago.

In non-formal Spanish such as Spanish used on Internet websites, email, message boards and other types of medium for correspondence adjectives of nationality in Spanish should not be capitalized according to grammar rules. I constantly see Soy Dominicano and it s/b Soy dominicano. Adjectives of nationality are capitalized in English but not in Spanish. I also see days of week capitalized in the middle of a sentence- Hoy es Martes s/b Hoy es martes. Another area that is a challenge for the RAE is the title of books and headings. Spanish rules state that only the first word is capitalized and the rest of the heading or title should not be unless there is a name or proper noun in the title (and especially not prepositions such as de, por, en etc.). For example: La visión de los lectores is a correctly written Spanish title and not La Visión De Los Lectores which completely goes against the rules of capitalization in Spanish. As well there are unique rules on how to use el in a title that are not followed in informal Spanish.

There are many other examples of English rules being imposed upon Spanish in non- formal settings, which will eventually, have a serious impact on Spanish in years to come. One way I cope with NOT using informal Spanish is to read good internet sources thus not to get used to or somewhat conform to the misuse of certain aspects of Spanish grammar rules, properties etc. I have mentioned this before and I will gladly mention it again to those who like reading newspapers on the Internet. The good sources are bbcmundo.com (flawless grammar, rules are followed etc.), elmundo.es, abc.es and elpais.es.

I believe this dynamic formal vs. non-formal Spanish as well as anglicisms, calques, loan words, loan phrases, neologisms and the other foreign impositions that we have seen, currently and will continue to see have contributed and will continue to contribute to the transformation of contemporary Spanish over time.


LDG.

[Guatiao]

Is an anglicismos the same as a Spanglish word?

For example roofo for roof, basment for basement, etc. Alot of young people use roofo, there is even a music video show on Mun2 that goes by that "word". I used to use that word until I beat techo into my head, people in DR were always like what are you saying and I had to point to the ceiling, so embarrasing.

Peace,
Capo

[MerengueDutchie]

Some more spanglish:

Los tennis - tennisshoes
Vivaporu - Vicks Vapo Rub
Ikkimen - X-men

And many, many, more..

[bob saunders]

las panties

[Lesley D]

Your example 'rufo' is not only an example of an anglicism but it is also what is called an americanismo. The word and usage originated in the US. My experience is the opposite of yours. I had never heard the word until sometime last year (2005) in NYC and I had know idea what 'rufo' was. Someone had to actually say to me that it means 'techo' and my thought was 'only in the USA'.

Your experience in the DR should tell you something about the word and its usage. As well, I know there are many other words like 'rufo' that form part of the americanismo vocabulary. However, the important aspect to know is that some of these words are either 'colloquial' or 'slang' and don't expect to find them in Spanish grammar textbooks (yet-I suppose) but dictionaries that are up to date sometimes do include these new anglicisms and clearly indicate that they are americanismos. There are also specialized dictionaries that have americanismos only. The standard word for basement in Spanish is sótano and it is used. 'Basement' is an anglicism that is common from what I can perceive. I never say 'basement'. There is no need to when there is a Spanish word for it however; my experience with the upcoming generation of Spanish speakers in my world, Montreal/Toronto is that few will know that the word sótano exists.

The other aspect with some of these anglicisms is that the Spanish word derived from the English word does not always retain its meaning. There is a change in meaning from source language- English to target language-Spanish. From the context speakers usually can decipher what the intended meaning is but in many cases when an English word is transformed into a Spanish word (especially verbs) the true meaning is not usually retained but people continue to use the word erroneously in Spanish. There is a high concentration of misuse of these types words in places were Eng/ Span coexist.

Suerte y saludos,

LDG.

Originally Posted by capodominicano

Is an anglicismos the same as a Spanglish word?

For example roofo for roof, basment for basement, etc. Alot of young people use roofo, there is even a music video show on Mun2 that goes by that "word". I used to use that word until I beat techo into my head, people in DR were always like what are you saying and I had to point to the ceiling, so embarrasing.

Peace,
Capo