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02-20-2006, 08:57 PM
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Can anyone tell me if the name "Almonte" is of Arabic origin as well? I have been told this on two occasions. It certainly sounds as though it could be.
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Most definitely, 'Almonte' (Al-monte) is a place in Huelva, Andalucia (ruled by Arabian Moors for almost 800 years, from the 8th to the 15th century), and means 'el monte' (the mountain)...
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02-20-2006, 09:13 PM
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Yes, Almonte is the site of the famous El Rocio pilgrimage.
These place names are found all over Spain but once you get this far south practically all the towns and cities have names of Arabic origin.
Medina Sidonia, Alcala de los Gazules, Zahara de los Atunes... not to mention my own Jebel Tarik.
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02-20-2006, 09:33 PM
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Excellent news, by marriage I am now linked to a venerable tradition that I always wanted to be part of! Allah u akbar!
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02-20-2006, 11:33 PM
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Almanza or Almansa, Medina, Almeida, Calatayud etc. are all very common Spanish surnames. I knew about Medina, but not the others. A very good page, Chiri.!
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02-21-2006, 03:07 AM
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I don't know if any of you have friends that speak arabic fluently, but I do, and after reading this and thinking about when they have spoken to there families in arabic, i know recognize many similarities that I didn't recognize before.
Good topic Lesley.
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02-21-2006, 08:45 AM
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Thanks everyone thus far...
Chiri- Thanks for the link 'Celtiberia.net'. It is definitely one of the most valuable websites on anything Spanish I have seen thus far on the web. Already it has answered many queries I have had for a long time. I will continue to read and analyze the data.
Mofi- I am glad you find the topic interesting. My goal is always to show people the other side of the coin. Learning a language is not only learning how to speak. History and culture are a must. A full package ties everything together.
Does anyone know if these two last names commonly heard in the DR are of Arabic origin: Abreu and Aracena?
I highly suspect they are. Although they are not on Chiri's wonderful link there are other indices that lead me to believe they are Arabic surnames. If anyone can confirm that would be wonderful.
-LDG.
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02-21-2006, 09:30 AM
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Abreu is Portuguese or Galician but could well have those origins.
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Excellent news, by marriage I am now linked to a venerable tradition that I always wanted to be part of! Allah u akbar!
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You might just as well say 'oy vey'* because it is just as likely that a family which took on the name of a Spanish town is Jewish, or of Jewish/Converso origin. Almonte appears on several of these lists.
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02-21-2006, 11:17 AM
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Some sayings in Spanish that come from the Moors.
1) Mi casa es su casa ( My house is your house)
2) Tengo una hambre blanca ( I have a white hunger)
3) Si Mahoma no va a la montaña, la montaña va donde Mahoma.
( If Mohammed doesn't go to the mountain, the mountain will go to Mohammed). I use this expression quite often
Also, one that didn't come from the Moors, but is about them is :
" No hay moros en la costa" ( There are no Moors on the coast). Meaning that there is no danger.
In Quisqueya, " moro" is not just a type of cooked rice, some people say " moro" to a child that is not baptized yet. Ex: "Ese niño esta moro" ( that boy is Moor).
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02-21-2006, 11:37 AM
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speaking of last names, there is a list of dominican names which are all arab 100% ex: dumit, hache, mustafa, hazim, khoury, matuk, attallah, dabas etc etc. I saw the same names in middle east when i was visiting a few countries.
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02-21-2006, 11:37 AM
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[quote=asopao]... In Quisqueya, " moro" is not just a type of cooked rice,... QUOTE]
What is referred to as 'moro' in Dominican cuisine is a mixture of 'white' (Christian) rice with 'dark' (Moorish) beans. The original term for the Dominican delicacy was 'moros y cristianos', which in time was abbreviated to just 'moros'.
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