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Old 11-02-2007, 11:47 PM
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Default Tropical Storm Noel - Why?

Poster Chirimoya posted this in the Noel thread a few days earlier and I thought to wait awhile before I tried to explain. Now that relief efforts are underway, here is an explanation. It is neither technical, nor does it make complete sense, as weather forecasting is not an exact science.

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Diario Libre is criticising the Met. Office for not providing enough warning, but my impression is that this was not forecast by international meteorologists either, so the DR weather people should not be singled out, or anyone for that matter, because of the way the storm developed. Do the weather pundits agree?
No-one can be criticized for not seeing the way that this storm was going to develop. Tropical storms are a regular occurrence in the Caribbean. This one did not show any of the normal tropical storm tendencies, like, it had little steering currents and the darn thing did not move.

Saturday night before the storm, Noel was churning around in a shearless environment - what this means, is that there were no steering currents, i.e., winds. This is not usual for a tropical system in our area. They usually move, they have winds and they rain and move off. It was an excruciatingly slow moving system, at slower than 5 miles per hour. When it got close to the DR, it was not even a tropical depression. At this point the meteorologists were taking cursory notice ... a late season tropical depression, so what. But what no-one knew is that it was going to stop, strengthen and rain and rain and rain.

So, it arrived on our south side doorstep on Sunday. There were no signs that it was going to be anything more than a simple, normal, everyday Caribbean weather system - here today and gone tomorrow.

But, it sat itself down and kept dumping rain .. and strengthened to a tropical depression. Now the meteorologists started taking notice, although there were hardly any winds, no significant weather systems nearby that one could try and draw conclusions from and it gave every sign that it was going to dump some rain and move off as normal.

Except it did not. It sat itself down, making more and more rain, and developing a longer and longer tail end.

Guidance that we had then, was ... with weak steering currents, the movement could be erratic on Monday and Tuesday. Note, we're talking about movement. Not a dead stop. Caribbean storms don't stop, they move (or so I thought before Noel). But what we knew, is that if a tropical system stops or pauses, it strengthens. So, Noel strengthened to a tropical storm. But again, oh heavens, very little wind, none of the usual indicators so, the guidance that we had was that it is not going to develop into a full blown hurricane here on our doorstep. And it did not. But this was 'negative guidance', i.e., not what it was going to do, but what it was not going to do.

With no appreciable winds, the track was highly uncertain and the intensity was impossible to forecast, but, it sat down and continued to pour down rain ....

So, the center of the storm moved by us and moved by Haiti at the dizzying speed of perhaps 5 miles per hour. And then the tail end did not leave. It kept making more and more rain - it was like a locomotive falling off the tracks and all the other cars behind it, piling up.

Meteorological guidance was ... various possibilities, including a split of the mid-level and low-level centers ... doubt on the forecast track ... doubt on the intensity ... further west, more intense ... etc., etc. In other words, the meteorologists were flummoxed and flabbergasted and their data did not support anything (and I include this poor hobbyist). The words used for Noel in the meteorological circles, was meandering, spinning, splitting, perhaps this way, perhaps that ... no-one knew.

The center was near the southeastern peninsula of Haiti early Monday. And still the tail end bucketed down, and grew and grew. Reminded me of Pinocchio's nose! At this time we had some tropical storm force winds extending up to 115 miles out from the center. This thing was growing and take into account that we all were guessing where the center really was.

It rained for a number of days. It soaked the DR. It soaked the people, created floods, mudslides and caused all kinds of miserable suffering.

So, now that the storm is off of our coastline, I have a theory. It is not a scientific theory but it is something that I mentioned before in my time on the weather forum. It is normal for the Caribbean to have hurricanes. Hurricanes bring fresh water in order for the islands to save up a fresh water stock and replenish ground water. The DR has not had a hurricane for a long time. So, Noel came along, noticed that the ground water in the DR is depleted, and sat around trying to address the balance.

In conclusion, with all of our excellent coverage, satellites, remote weather sensors and monitoring stations, radar etc etc., there is no way that we can accurately predict to 100% certainty what the weather is going to do. Sometimes we're lucky and a system follows a path and shows indicators that we've learnt to interpret. Sometimes a weather system simply does what it wants to do.

Or, are we dealing with extraordinary circumstances? The floods in Tabasco in Mexico, the floods in the midwest of the US, the melting of ice on both the North and the South pole, wildfires in Canada and atmospheric carbon dioxide increasing much faster than expected. What are we really dealing with?

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Old 11-03-2007, 07:25 AM
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Thanks Chris.
Great job.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:26 AM
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Great job Chris, I agree with a lot of your synopsis. I looked on Saturday morning from the internet cafe in Punta Cana and it looked like a small thunderstorm on the satelite images that was not going to amount to much. There was no pattern to speak of.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:30 AM
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thanks chris. noel just passed by the coast of north carolina where i live and was a cat1 hurricane but was far enough offshore that we got only minor winds and some (small)local flooding. we had a storm here(dennis)some years ago that the eye passed over us 3times! had never seen one go south in my life so am with you on the unpredictability of these storms. have been following the threads on noel and offer thoughts and prayers to all affected. will be in DR in one month and cannot wait! thanks again
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:50 AM
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I Knew it!! Chris, your comments confirmed my mention of David, the Cat 5 hurricane that crossed the DR in '79 (August). It just sat off of San Cristobal and grew and grew. For like six or seven hours it sat and grew. THEN it crossed the DR (Just like Noel).

I know, after seeing the gruesome tapes on TV last night that the final toll is nowhere near at hand. I expect it to reach the high three hundreds.

And once again, San Cristobal is one of the major disaster areas...

Thanks Chris, that was a good review of how it happened. The blame game among government officials won't solve anything. Perhaps the local assistance will lessen the horror and desolation.

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Old 11-03-2007, 11:17 AM
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Great analysis, Chris - thanks.

One observation is that this demonstrates that preparedness is key. When the storm started hitting the DR, we all said - "if it's bad here, what's it going to be like in Haiti" - but in the end, Haiti, despite its far greater vulnerability, had some time to prepare, unlike the DR, and the death toll has been much lower there. A friend wrote to me from Haiti saying the Civil Protection corps there had done a really good job warning people and organising evacuations.

Even if warning isn't possible, it also underlines the value of having a well-stocked emergency kit throughout the season, because as Noel showed us, last-minute panic buying is not always possible.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:51 AM
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According to the NHC archive, Noel was deteremined to be a tropical depression at 11 pm Saturday night with winds between 39 to 79 mph. I think the fact that it went relatively unreported is indicative of the Dominican government's typical failures. What's also bothersome is that it wasn't paid much credence by the Domincan press, even though it was just south of the island. One's best bet is to check the NHC webpage frequently which I will do from here on out.

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Old 11-03-2007, 12:03 PM
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You need to see this in context Chip. Tropical Depressions are a dime a dozen during hurricane season in the Caribbean. Noel was number 16. If the various weather guidance systems that I subscribe to, including the fellows at Noaa, could not give us accurate guidance (and their guidance has continued to improve during my 15 or so years in Hurricane prone areas and is currently exceptional), the DR met office cannot do better - working on Sundays or not. There should be no blame. I worked on the Saturday and the Sunday and I did not see it coming. Let's face it, we were all caught unawares with a run of the mill late season tropical depression and paid very little notice to it - as it did not show any signs of being anything more than a late season tropical storm at the worst. The surprise came in the slow moving system and the fact that it basically stalled out with no steering currents and sat and strengthened on top of us.

There is also a danger .. we see so much of weather systems being blown up to crazy proportions and so much of fear mongering in the conventional press, that it takes a while to push the panic button. If this system declared itself earlier, we could have pressed the panic button. But it did not. Even tropical storms are a dime a dozen. We don't press panic buttons for run of the mill tropical storms. They rain and move .. this one did not move. It just rained.

The issue is that we usually have time to prepare. This time we had no warning and no time to prepare, evacuate or make arrangements for areas in danger. Like Chiri says, we have to stress that our own preparedness should not be neglected.

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Old 11-03-2007, 12:11 PM
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I watch the Sat pix all the time , watching the regular weather, and that much more when there are storms,. and I have never seen a storm that lingered like Noel did.
It was like it was crazy glued to us.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:46 PM
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I totally agree with Chris. This storm was unlike any (Except David in '79!) It just sat there from Friday until Monday...and like Chris said: It just rained, and rained and rained..

Pants down? Yeah, probably. Will we learn anything? Probably not too much.

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