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12-12-2007, 04:23 PM
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Associated Press have picked up on the 'no warning' issue - see Sun Sentinel:
'People complained on local radio that they were not warned of the water release from the dam, and officials acknowledged it might have caused some of the deaths..............As heavy rains began to overwhelm the Tavera Dam, outside Santiago, the country's second-largest city, officials gave the order to begin releasing millions of gallons per second into the river, said Ismael Matias, planning chief of the Dominican emergency operations center.
Local authorities had warned repeatedly that a release was possible during the storm and told people to evacuate areas in the path of floodwaters rising as high as 66 feet above normal, Matias said. It was unclear if the warnings were heeded or even relayed.'
Olga kills 8 in Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
And looks like President hasn't gone to Santiago
La República - Presidente Fernández amaneció anoche en Palacio recibiendo informes de las provincias
Video of tree clearing & flooding in Montellano
YouTube - EL DIA DESPUES - tras el paso de la Tormenta OLGA
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12-12-2007, 05:05 PM
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Lights have been on and off here in Los Jardines. Currently on. Last night we never lost power. The lower part of town, where the CDE has a major transformer station was flooded, and this knocked out a ton of circuits..
For me, as I stated above, this can be laid at the government's feet. Thee is no spin that can be put on this. Not with resources available here in town...Just no waythis should have happened...
Shi*, even Chicken Little was able to get a reaction....
HB
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12-12-2007, 05:31 PM
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Finally got power and water back on. No sleep last night, constantly throwing out water. Lot of damage to our complex, us with apartments on the front got hit hardest. Sand everywhere, both pools will have to be emptied and cleaned, all furniture damaged and destroyed. I need storm shutters, anyone know any companies that supply/install these.
All of this is nothing compared to the damage in the barrios here and Sabaneta etc. The river burst and you cant get through to Jamao (Sabaneta - Moca road), we had to bring one injured by hospital by one car taking him as far as they could to one side of the bridge, then transferring him across the water to another car at the Sabaneta side. Tomorrow we are beginning the urgent aid, water, rice, tinned milk etc and gas which many dont have, if any of you can help/donate in any way it would be very appreciated by these poor people. We are calling it the rice fund. I'll take photos tomorrow and just hope I have internet. I wrote to Dominican Hoy before this asking them to do an article
'Dear Mr President - where has all the money gone for aid?' but they never responded. Perhaps Lambada and Bush Baby could help with their contacts in the media to get some attention please, lets give a little gringo push to take the attentions of the powers that be??
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12-12-2007, 05:47 PM
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Video of Carretera Turística Luperón - Camu -Tubagua today
YouTube - Un vistazo a la Carretera TurÃ*stica Luperón
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For me, as I stated above, this can be laid at the government's feet. Thee is no spin that can be put on this. Not with resources available here in town...Just no waythis should have happened...
HB
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I'm with you HB. I've sent off for some tech data on minimum water level required for hydroelectric operation. Will post it when I get it. Unless someone like Chip knows this data?
BTW I'm informed that the President on TV attributed this disaster to global warming! Anyone see it? |
12-12-2007, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
Lights have been on and off here in Los Jardines. Currently on. Last night we never lost power. The lower part of town, where the CDE has a major transformer station was flooded, and this knocked out a ton of circuits..
For me, as I stated above, this can be laid at the government's feet. Thee is no spin that can be put on this. Not with resources available here in town...Just no waythis should have happened...
Shi*, even Chicken Little was able to get a reaction....
HB
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I don't know if you saw but people told me that the police and firemen were out yesterday pm trying to get people to go to higher ground. They both said it was on the news last night here in Santiago. It appears you didn't see anything on the news or hear anything right?
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12-12-2007, 06:06 PM
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Video of Carretera Turística Luperón - Camu -Tubagua today
YouTube - Un vistazo a la Carretera TurÃ*stica Luperón
I'm with you HB. I've sent off for some tech data on minimum water level required for hydroelectric operation. Will post it when I get it. Unless someone like Chip knows this data?
BTW I'm informed that the President on TV attributed this disaster to global warming! Anyone see it? |
I'm not sure what that would be as this would be something typically known by the engineering team at the dam. As I just posted it appears the Santiago officials were trying to evacuate people yesterday afternoon. Nonetheless, the engineers should have already had an idea of the flood stage that would be reached when they discharged that amount of water. I cannot imagine that when they did the study they didn't do a floodplain model. This is elementary basic engineering - in fact I could calculate various floodplain elevations of the Yaque with available free programs based on discharge from the dam or rainfall with a good topographic map.
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12-12-2007, 06:25 PM
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According to CNN, people had been given some type of warning. It does appear now that it was probably a combination of a few thing that cause people to be caught in the flood; the authorities didn't reach them in time, the flood level were higher than predicted, and some people refused to leave.
Deaths blamed on Tropical Storm Olga - CNN.com |
12-12-2007, 06:36 PM
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1) There were Red Alerts
2) According to interviews of people on the scene (Ch 29--all morning and Jose Gutierrez in the afternoon) There was no warning except from friends. My niece's friend lost everything but her life, thanks to a friend that went to her place and got her out of there in time.
3) I am sure that when the sh!t hit the fan, CD and Fire Department people went into action, but at 5000 cu. mt PER SECOND!! (I finally got a confirmation on this!!) for over an hour, then 3000 cu. mt per sec for even longer periods...there was little that could be done except try and get people out.
4) engineers know that at 500 cu Mt per sec, there is a good possibility of flooding in low-laying areas. Most of the day saw 1300 cu mt/sec being discharged, AFTER periods of 5000, and 3000 cu mts./sec FYI: 5000 cu mt/sec = 78,000,000 gallons!!/hour)
THEY KNEW
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12-12-2007, 06:40 PM
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wow what a mess. those videos posted show a real picture of the damage. far worse than what I have read/seen on other internet news sites.
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12-12-2007, 06:45 PM
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Such a difference?
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Originally Posted by Ladybird
Finally got power and water back on. No sleep last night, constantly throwing out water. Lot of damage to our complex, us with apartments on the front got hit hardest. Sand everywhere, both pools will have to be emptied and cleaned, all furniture damaged and destroyed. I need storm shutters, anyone know any companies that supply/install these.
All of this is nothing compared to the damage in the barrios here and Sabaneta etc. The river burst and you cant get through to Jamao (Sabaneta - Moca road), we had to bring one injured by hospital by one car taking him as far as they could to one side of the bridge, then transferring him across the water to another car at the Sabaneta side. Tomorrow we are beginning the urgent aid, water, rice, tinned milk etc and gas which many dont have, if any of you can help/donate in any way it would be very appreciated by these poor people. We are calling it the rice fund. I'll take photos tomorrow and just hope I have internet. I wrote to Dominican Hoy before this asking them to do an article
'Dear Mr President - where has all the money gone for aid?' but they never responded. Perhaps Lambada and Bush Baby could help with their contacts in the media to get some attention please, lets give a little gringo push to take the attentions of the powers that be??
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I was up last night at 10:30 PM until about 2 AM due to the wind and rain that was coming from the South... not off the Ocean as I was expecting. (House with pool in Playa Chiquita just outside of Sosua, less then 60 meters from the water.) Wind was blowing FROM the south so that wave/sand was pushed to the north...away from the house/pool.
Housekeeper lives in Sabeneta, shows up on time, day before and day after, and tells us "no problem, minor flooding and some damage... not to worry." Same thing from our pest control man that lives in Sabeneta... (shows up to spray this AM. lol)
Reports that Caberete had no real problems other then a "tent" being blown away.
This is not to say that no one on the mid-north coast did not have hardships and losses, that is how things are.
Strange how different our weather can be or how we see things... Good luck to all.
Regards, Ringo
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