Age and race discrimination by DR employers?

[mountainannie]

yes/ a long way to go... you will routinely see employment ads IN THE PAPERS that say MAN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 25 and 3O or FEMALE BUENA PRESENCIA and the WOMEN wear the supposed business suits but skin tight, polyester....... and high heels....... and yes... you still have to be pegado.

sorry

[AlterEgo]

Originally Posted by mountainannie

yes/ a long way to go... you will routinely see employment ads IN THE PAPERS that say MAN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 25 and 3O or FEMALE BUENA PRESENCIA and the WOMEN wear the supposed business suits but skin tight, polyester....... and high heels....... and yes... you still have to be pegado.

sorry

Annie, the first time I saw one of those ads I was very surprised. Certainly no age-discrimination laws in DR. Family members have told me it's next to impossible for a person 40+ to find a good job there. I've also heard that it extends to the person's skin tone, the lighter candidates will often get the job - is that true?

[Thandie]

Originally Posted by AlterEgo

Annie, the first time I saw one of those ads I was very surprised. Certainly no age-discrimination laws in DR. Family members have told me it's next to impossible for a person 40+ to find a good job there. I've also heard that it extends to the person's skin tone, the lighter candidates will often get the job - is that true?

Classism and ageism....alot of 'ism's'!
I guess being too old and too dark prevent some from gettig a good job?
Cant move up to a better job and therefore a higher class.
Oh what to do?

3-2-1...Nals and Vacara will have a response to the last sentence in your post. According to them 'colour' is not an issue in the DR....lol

[mountainannie]

no, they are going to say that it is class. and it just so happens that all the people in the upper class are white.

the expression from Haiti is that a Black man with money is Mulatto and a Mulatto with money is white.

and from Lyle Lovett, from Texas, "black and yellow, red and tan, but white is the color of the big boss man"

guess Brother Barack done changed some things, didnt he jus?

[NALs]

Originally Posted by Thandie

Classism and ageism....alot of 'ism's'!
I guess being too old and too dark prevent some from gettig a good job?
Cant move up to a better job and therefore a higher class.
Oh what to do?

3-2-1...Nals and Vacara will have a response to the last sentence in your post. According to them 'colour' is not an issue in the DR....lol

Do you guys need to infiltrate every thread with this issue? Really, its not necessary.

Lina Toca de Ginebra, Director of Marketing @ CardNet

Marcos Feliz, Manager of Trademarketing and Events @ Viva Dominicana

Eduardo Mejía Cerda, Senior Administrative of Sales @ Tricom

Eduard Reyes Estrella, Manager of Telephone Circuits @ Orange Dominicana

Santiago Suero, District Manager @ Páginas Amarillas

Miguelina Rojas, Corporate Manager of Human Resource @ Grupo Metro

Mártires Montero Méndez, Marketing Counselor @ Infotep

Gilberto Soto Jerez, IT Director @ Mitsubishi Co. Dominicana

Gisenia Bravo and Noemí Rosario, high ranking women @ Plastifar

Luis Marino López, President of the Cluster Turístico Santo Domingo

Joel Santos, ex President of ANJE

William Arias, Engineering Manager @ Precision Engineering

Yris Soriano, Human Resource Manager @ Precision Engineering

Jennifer Cubilette, Marketing Manager @ Almacenes Sema

Tomasina Salazar, Administrative Manager @ Crisfer

Claudia Fabián, Customer Service Manager @ Crisfer

The list is long, so I'll end it here.

But, go ahead and tell them that dark skin Dominicans are not employed into positions of power due to their skin color. Don't feel insulted if they suddenly burst into a giant laugh and think you are ridiculous for having such assertion. Their achievements is enough proof to debunk your assertions.

Some of you need to stop pretending you know the DR, because you don't.

BTW, whatever you do, don't enter the headquarters of Grupo Leon Jimenes, the most admired company in the DR. You might just go into a shock of some sort.

-NALs

[indy2273]

What did I start? LOL

Bueno, I see some are very passionate around here so I will try to put it as delicately as I can...

No I don't live in D.R., however, I have family members (Dad, brothers, sisters, etc) that live there and also folks that constantly travel to from DR and ever since my curiosity sparked about possibly moving to DR I have been talking here and there with my family in DR and the folks that travel there constantly... I must admit that I never touched the touchy subject of Dominican Society and how are things there as far as race, position, class, etc, etc until yesterday...

And I was shocked that even though I left my country 26 years ago, and DR has made great advances in technology, transportation, telecommunications, education, etc... Todavia estan atrazados from a Sociological point... The dominant social group that pretty much dictates Dominican Society and how its runned still exists and is alive and thriving just like it was 2 decades ago when I left.... Basically there has not been a shift in many of the typical frame of thoughts that have plagued our society for many many years... Basically things that will never be allowed here in the US are still very much alive in DR...

You can sit there and type name of every top ranking executive of colour in DR, that fact still remains that is still a very small percentage... And if you interviewed any of them, I am pretty sure also that a lot of them will say that they were not completely free of the trials and tribulations that people of colour face in DR...

I will give two of a few examples of how the dominant social group which most consist of light skin or white Dominicans dictate how the rest of DR lives:

1. Women with what some DR people refer to as "pelo malo" are slaves of having to go to the Salon to make their hair stick straight. Why? Because they are blinded into thinking that embracing their natural hair (curly, coarse hair) is not the way to go... that they must emulate the European side of our heritage instead to be more acceptable and negate the African roots that run deep in our blood...

2. Dominicans that are under the impression that being Spanish or Latino Americano is an actual race... This is the funniest one to me... "No I am not black, I am Spanish, or Dominican"... I haven't touched up on our history lately... but if my memory serves me right... When slavery of Africans into the Americas was abolished they were still being brought to the caribbean specially into Quisqueya... That frame of thought right there is the most damaging to me, because it shows that a lot of us are very ashamed of our roots and who we really are... Why? Because the dominant sociological group in DR is light skin, or white... and is of middle class or higher... and the 70%+ of our population that happens to be black or a mix of is driven to shame by the smaller percentage that holds most power in DR...

I could continue to write a book about the atrocities that I heard yesterday but I am tired of typing now... I will back later... LOL

[bob saunders]

The leader of the DR Leonel Fernandez is not white, so it is obvious that citizens that are not white can aspire to and achieve the highest office in the country. Does mean there is no racism in the DR, NO, but in means there is less than many think.

[Thandie]

Originally Posted by indy2273

What did I start? LOL

... I must admit that I never touched the touchy subject of Dominican Society and how are things there as far as race, position, class, etc, etc until yesterday...

And I was shocked that even though I left my country 26 years ago, and DR has made great advances in technology, transportation, telecommunications, education, etc... Todavia estan atrazados from a Sociological point... The dominant social group that pretty much dictates Dominican Society and how its runned still exists and is alive and thriving just like it was 2 decades ago when I left.... Basically there has not been a shift in many of the typical frame of thoughts that have plagued our society for many many years... Basically things that will never be allowed here in the US are still very much alive in DR...

You can sit there and type name of every top ranking executive of colour in DR, that fact still remains that is still a very small percentage... And if you interviewed any of them, I am pretty sure also that a lot of them will say that they were not completely free of the trials and tribulations that people of colour face in DR...

I will give two of a few examples of how the dominant social group which most consist of light skin or white Dominicans dictate how the rest of DR lives:

1. Women with what some DR people refer to as "pelo malo" are slaves of having to go to the Salon to make their hair stick straight. Why? Because they are blinded into thinking that embracing their natural hair (curly, coarse hair) is not the way to go... that they must emulate the European side of our heritage instead to be more acceptable and negate the African roots that run deep in our blood...

2. Dominicans that are under the impression that being Spanish or Latino Americano is an actual race... This is the funniest one to me... "No I am not black, I am Spanish, or Dominican"... I haven't touched up on our history lately... but if my memory serves me right... When slavery of Africans into the Americas was abolished they were still being brought to the caribbean specially into Quisqueya... That frame of thought right there is the most damaging to me, because it shows that a lot of us are very ashamed of our roots and who we really are... Why? Because the dominant sociological group in DR is light skin, or white... and is of middle class or higher... and the 70%+ of our population that happens to be black or a mix of is driven to shame by the smaller percentage that holds most power in DR...

I could continue to write a book about the atrocities that I heard yesterday but I am tired of typing now... I will back later... LOL

Hola Indy,

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Especially because you are a DOMINICAN, who now lives in the USA, but visits and has many close family members and friends presently living on the island who are you mention are from a higher 'class' and are well connected...
We are having this VERY discussion over in the 'debates section' and since you are Dominican woman I would love for you to read it and share some of your views and some of things you have heard from your family and friends presently living in the DR...... but be warned your opinion may not be given much weight by 1 poster lol
If you are new to the board you will understand what I mean soon enough.

Here is the link (it started when Nals brought in the controversal and offence link relating IQ to the problems that plague Haiti in post # 58 on PAGE 6 in that thread) :
Commonwealth of Haiti territory of the USA

Your view point when you have time would be a great addition to the debate.

Thandie

[ExtremeR]

Originally Posted by indy2273

What did I start? LOL

1. Women with what some DR people refer to as "pelo malo" are slaves of having to go to the Salon to make their hair stick straight. Why? Because they are blinded into thinking that embracing their natural hair (curly, coarse hair) is not the way to go... that they must emulate the European side of our heritage instead to be more acceptable and negate the African roots that run deep in our blood...

Here we go again, why is that people that don't live here wants to judge us on what's good and what's bad. People this not the USA, blacks here weren't exploited neither segragated, in fact I just came from the Technology Day that the IT NOW magazine oirganized in the Jaragua Hotel where every manager of the IT department of the biggest companies here attended, and most of them (like 60%) were black, and I am talking about IT Directors here, CIO and Security Departments Manager of the biggest banks and companies in Santo Domingo.

By the way the IT Day was a success and I believe it should have get coverage in DR1 but that is for another thread.

[Thandie]

Originally Posted by ExtremeR

Here we go again, why is that people that don't live here wants to judge us on what's good and what's bad.

Maybe you missed it but she is a Dominican born in the DR and lived there, has family still living there...but lives in the USA now