Have any info ?

[STEVE G.]

Originally Posted by Lambada

...And not to go off topic but a little further afield in Bavaro, if anyone has the background or personal knowledge about what appears to be a construction shambles at Residencial Carey, could they PM or email me please? Annonymity assured. Thanks...

Dos españoles reclaman 2.3 millones de dólares por edificio defectuoso

Carey Residencial

I think is an example of how some local ''ingenieros'' are trying to make the most out of foreign developers , like there is no tomorrow ...

[Chip]

As an engineer myself, I'm interested to see how this develops. After reading the article I can only assume that the engineer is guilty of incompetence or greed by trying to save money(for a design build contract or turnkey), or the clients were dumb in accepting lesser grade material in order to save on costs.

[MikeFisher]

let's see what's coming up at the end, who robbed who???
nobody can tell me that a "confiable" company starts a construction with their investors money and they do that "en confiancia al ingenierio", BS!!!, they failed with their project or never tried to do a serious one, just take some money, let a ingenieur(maybe Partner??) look bad, no money to get from him so no money to pay back to investors and nobody will ever know how many money been spent on the construction site til today, that leaves a lot of space for some MONEY.
if i build a house (of course not on my own, i use a reliable company to do that for me) you can bet that i will be there present every day, i will check how many material really arrives on the construction site, and how much of that material is really used to build my house.
just my 2cents
Mike

[Lambada]

Originally Posted by MikeFisher

let's see what's coming up at the end, who robbed who???

Yes I wonder about that too. Thank you SteveG for posting my query on this forum. Seemingly, the Spaniards are saying they had to pay out US$3 million to put right the wrongs. What I don't understand is............there wasn't exactly a language problem here between the company & the constructors, so what happened to make it all such a disaster? And don't you just love the company website page about standards and quality control..............

Carey Residencial

[MikeFisher]

oh yeah, completely right.
how you want to keep up with promised standards without controlling their progress to be done the way you promise to your investors?
and a 2-3Mio$$$ bill is very big for that few progress seen there til now(did not see a thing when passing by)
Mike

[lizandsilvy]

We are owners here in Carey, and yes the spaniards brought in a separate load of engineers to make note of all the problems in the complex, but it was the constructors workers that came and in changed a few things.........are there any more owners on this forum

[Lambada]

Originally Posted by lizandsilvy

We are owners here in Carey, and yes the spaniards brought in a separate load of engineers to make note of all the problems in the complex, but it was the constructors workers that came and in changed a few things.........are there any more owners on this forum

I'm not an owner in Carey (I live in Puerto Plata) but there could well be some on this forum. Are you saying that the developers, the Spanish company brought in their engineers to do a survey? And then the builder corrected a few items? The items listed as at fault in the newspaper article sound fairly profound: e.g. electrical wiring leading to a fire, flooding when it rains, seepage, pipe obstruction (? a design fault maybe). I'm not an engineer but these sort of faults sound like they would need fairly extensive (& observable!) correction.

When you say 'changed a few things' does this mean that all the faults have not been corrected?

[lizandsilvy]

We personally, have been complaining to the spaniards about all the things that have been going wrong.....examples, burst pipes in walls, water coming up through toilets because of pipes being blocked with cement, upstairs bathrooms leaking through our roofs, damp coming in through the marble floors etc etc.......we are hated here in the complex by both the spaniards and all the staff because we were the only ones living here full time to see what was happening - the spaniards brought in different engineers who we thought would be carrying out the work to put things right - but it was obviously to help them in their court case, these engineers agreed that everything should be changed. Eventually we were relocated to a nearby hotel for a month while they had to re-pipe in all the aircon, smash through outside bathroom walls to get at the pipework taking water away from the tubs, as they had never been connected to anything, so we were then told the damp coming through the floors would stop as that was the cause - not so - we still have damp floors........all this work was carried out by the original constructors guys, we fought with them to relay part of our floors, as the problem is that they didnt put any sort of damp proof treatment down first, and they refused to do it, saying that it was the spaniards that were stopping them! You never get a striaght answer here - we moved in at the beginning of August 2006, and we have had the place for sale since the 23rd August 2006! As far as we are concerned, it is the spaniards who are responsible for not supervising anything - but then they had never built anything before this, although they make you believe they had - in Spain, one was a famaceutical salesman, and the other has something to do with garages from what I have been told by other owners who knew them in Spain! They were out to make a fast buck, and have done nothing but gone out of their way upset people like us.......we asked our lawyer about taking them to court, but he said it would be too costly and long, that we would be better just selling up. Which is what we are trying to do. Although, now that they are taking the contractor to court looking to make more money - I hope that there are other owners on this forum, who would lke to get together and see if there is anything that we can all do to get our own money back!

[MikeFisher]

that sounds just like perfectly spanish.
pharmaceutics building houses in the Dominican republic, Bang.i would recommend to get in touch with other investors/house owners aso as fast as possible, that sounds just like a big rip off by those spaniards who want to complain about local engineering, maybe that hired engineer been a Gardener or such a short while ago???
Mike

[Lambada]

Some suggestions for you, Liz & Silvy. To find other owners maybe start a new thread called 'Looking for owners Residencial Carey, White Sands' in this same East Coast Forum. Just in case people don't go into a thread entitled Have any info. Also maybe liaise with Nautilus owners? Seems to be the same Spanish company so maybe............similar issues?
Nautilus Residencial

I agree your chances of selling now that the developer has gone public & called their own development 'a veritable disaster' are somewhat reduced!

I understand that your lawyer feels the process of taking the developers to Court here in DR could be long, costly and unsuccessful. But would you have any right to a plaint in Spain? I don't know but the company is registered in Spain under a different name:
ARCO Y DINTEL
Might be worth seeking a consultation with a lawyer experienced in legal matters outside of DR?

And for informational reasons have you informed your Embassy here in DR & maybe got their opinion too? I don't know your nationality but would imagine it is either US, UK or Canadian - all of which countries have representation here.
I see that the FBI for example is already investigating another DR east coast issue surrounding US & European investors who feel thay have been taken for a ride (title issues & no construction).
FBI profundiza investigación sobre estafa a inversionistas extranjeros