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Old 05-18-2004, 10:01 AM
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Now Hipolito is being made a hero for his early "quitting". The truth is he was forced by the state department on orders from Collin Powell due to the heavy pressure being put on by Congressman Robert Menendez. News coming from DR to Menendez showed that major fraud had taken place in Santiago and Santo Domingo voting districts and that the shortfall of this fraud was still too large to make it effective to steal the election for Hipolito, forcing the PPH to go to their plan "B", which was military take over of voting records ready to be sent to JCE(Junta Central Electoral). But this plan, which actually was carried over, in some cases without military force, but with help from local politicians like Mayor Lois and Batista, still came up with too few votes to turn the election around. By then, Menendez, as early as 6:15 pm had received results from exit polls indicating a huge Leonel victory exceeding 64% of the total vote and only 24% for Hipolito.

So four major generals who head the armed forces began to organize the action plan, which included mobilizing close to 50,000 armed men, many soldiers in civilian clothes, and as many as 200,000 altogether, including barrio thugs properly trained prior to the elections, to carry over an election coup. The plan collapsed as soon as Menendez made the call to Powell. Powell directed the U.S. ambassador, who reluctantly(since he is a PPH man who loves Hipolito)followed orders to put together the meeting where Monsignor Agripino Nunez Collado took the leading role. This was not Agripino's idea, but Powell's. The monsignor was chosen for appearances only, but the U.S. ambassador was told to stick next to him all the time.

PLD "generals" were ready on the other side to lead a rebellion just in case, with several key military posts already in place, with rebellious younger officers, who were 80% in favor of Leonel. Major bloodshed was prevented, but it would have been a very quick defeat for Hipolito's forces nevertheless, since the military power was on the side of the PLD.

This clown, Hipolito was not smart enough to concede. He did not want to do it. His men were reluctant to do it. But the pressure was on, and now he looks like a hero.

The three provinces Hipolito barely won in the border had 20,000 Haitians that were registered and voted for the PPH and nationwide there were close to 150,000 illegal Haitians who voted, mostly in Santo Domingo Norte, Santiago, Santo Domingo Este, Boca Chica, San Pedro de Macoris, Azua, and Monte Plata. Another 90,000 cedulas were stolen or bought and people voted twice .This accounted for almost 6% of the vote, which made the difference in the actual vote that Hipolito will get. Hippo legally had no more than 24-26.50% of the vote. But the fraud was not enough. Junta Central knew about the fraud, but did nothing to stop it. Guido Gomez Mazara led the civilian group of thugs who planned this whole thing, with help from Tomas Hernandez Alberto.

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Old 05-18-2004, 10:25 AM
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Stunned silence in our house!
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Old 05-18-2004, 10:58 AM
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Nice fairy tale, can you cite any conection to the US or is it "confidential?" :-)
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:03 AM
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Stick around KrackedKris - Golo is either making a silly joke, or he is 100% on the money. I've not seen him make silly jokes before.
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:07 AM
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Golo, your account is so true. here is what I saw:
on the day of elections, there were a bunch of gun tottling PPH thugs patrolling the streets of JCE building and voting escuelas. I knew there was somthing up. They were drunk and almost all of them armed (automatic rifles and 9mm hand guns. These folks had some secret plans to win or take over the elections, no matter what it took.
Then when Hippo announced his loss, there was almost a mutiny among the PHH thugs. many wanted to go ahead and cause the civil dosorder anyway but they were adviced to stay put and wait.
The next day a PPH guy come to my house in tears. He claims to have lost 4 years of his life and felt betrayed by hippo. Then he invites another PPH thug to my house without even asking for my permision. This young chap was a bit angry at hippo and felt also betrayed by him. He then goes to tell that how the whole military was on hippo's side and how they were going to take over the JCE and cease all the votes and have the plan in action. He was not sure why Hippo and PPH guys didn't do what they had planned. He put all the blame on Hippo.
So there you have it in Golo's words, there was a plan to take over the elections but it never took off the table.
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:15 AM
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Nice fairy tale, can you cite any conection to the US or is it "confidential?" :-)
The story is also in the local press today.
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:22 AM
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We should be thanking our lucky stars that a 1965 redux was avoided.

If 50% of the story were true, then trials for sedition would be in order.

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Old 05-18-2004, 11:24 AM
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"This clown, Hipolito was not smart enough to concede. He did not want to do it. His men were reluctant to do it. But the pressure was on, and now he looks like a hero."

While I have never contested your posts, as a matter of fact I've always enjoyed them, I must do so at this new post. Not in all of it's parts as I cannot prove or dissprove what you are saying. However I must disagree with you in your assumption that Hipolito was reluctant. For reasons I cannot express here, I can tell you, two of the ambassadors standing next to Agripino, called Hipolito, after he accepted Leonel's victory, to comment to him that he had precipitated in saying he had lost. His response was that according to his results, the numbers were clear and that there was no need in keeping people nervous expecting the results. As a matter of fact to one of those ambassadors he even mention the following: "What are you complaining? Your ex-president had just done the same thing a few weeks ago."
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:27 AM
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I only believe 10% of what Golo has stated as being FACT ............... But it wouldn't take much to convinvce me of another 70 or 80%!!!!!

I am SURE there was somrthing afoot to defraud the Voters of the rights! I am SURE the military & PPH thugs could/would be involved & I am SURE misdirecting/losing of ballot boxes would have been on the cards, but I have no PROOF of this. My view of Hippo's capitulation is that the OBSEVERS found a scam/fraud had been committed that was totally abhorent & were going to announce it to the press/media for the Voters to see & that would have caused total uprising against the PPH. Again, I don't know what it was & I doubt if we mere mortals would have been able to PROVE anything, but I am confident that the Observers could & WOULD have done.

Would LOVE to hear of any proof you have TW (& I don't mean that sarcastically - honest!!), so please put it here or PM me if you feel happier doing so. - Grahame.
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:35 AM
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There must be an element of truth in this, but my problem with these scenarios it that it wildly inflates the importance of a small country like the DR in the scheme of things. Doesn't Colin Powell have much more pressing matters on his mind these days?

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